The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

Any chance you might leap into the current century? Nope.


Nope. "We" are not a collective anything. The current presentation of the universe may well be infinite in the past. You are stuck with the notion that the big bang was a beginning. It wasn't. Pop-sci presents it thus, so it is perhaps understandable that you accept that. But it isn't even vaguely true. I know I did indeed explain it to my children in such terms back when they were young, but now that they are all growed up I gave them the real deal.

I little expected to be required to do it again, but here we are.

Yup, they had no clue. Why would you believe anyone who you flat out believe had no clue?

Facepalm. Do you realise what you just said? Since you are not a plumber, or an electrician, of a tree surgeon, or a postman, therefore nobody else can be. That is your claim. Nobody can listen to someone else and write it down? As we exchange messages on a forum designed for that purpose right now? Seriously?

The Koran is obscene. I am aware that you want to pretend it is not, but we can read what it actually says.

And you want the punishment, don't you. Of course you do.

Incoherent rubbish.


Are you even aware that you could be killed for such heresy?

Hello. Exactly. Thank you very much for your suggestion. It is not heresy. It is not heresy. It is not heresy. It is the truth. We do not understand the Qur'an correctly. God did not say the Qur'an to create hatred and disbelief. He did not say to give some superiority over others. He did not speak of violence, enmity or war. To say that we have humanity. And let us look with humanity to the paradise that we were driven to sin. How long do we want to kill each other? How long? How long? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The Quran is paradise. And gives us heaven. Why do you want hell? Why do you think the Quran gives us hell? Let's think right. I live in this modern world. Do I have to see war and bloodshed in the modern world and the advancement of science and technology? So I better leave this world. I'm not afraid of anyone. From no one. God does not want me and you to die.
God wants our life and happiness. And I'm always happy. I laugh at you with love. I always laugh. I cry only for love. I never cry for sorrow or enmity. Because basically for me, enmity - war - killing and anything bad is not defined for everyone. And I do not accept. Because it should not be. And I stand like a mountain at the foot of my talk. I wish for a beautiful world. How do you want a world? What is your wish man?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Sorry, Mark, but I do not think it is possible to be that oblivious to culture. There may indeed be a bridge involved.

I'm sorry. I do not know your culture. But I would love to get to know your culture. Do not dodge. Guide me. Thanks

 

[heydarian saeed]

It's a reference.

Hello dear friend. Thank you very much for your guidance. I read. It's a good site. Space travel will be fun for some of the band's friends. I do not want to travel. I better stay in this group. I like this group very much. The space is for you. The earth is for me.
Thank you again.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I genuinely live next door to CERN. I'll cycle down there later on and ask how the consciousness of fundamental particles is affecting their work. Maybe they could have proved the existence of the Higgs Boson more easily by asking it to give them a wave as it whizzed around the accelerator.

Hello. Good luck. Tell us the result of your research after you came back from CERN. I am very happy. Thanks

 

[Scorpion]

Muhammad was illiterate. How could he read the Torah? I will correct your sentence. God recited to Muhammad by revelation. We know you have read many books like me. This is not our argument. The wise God claims in the Qur'an that no one can bring a verse like the Qur'an. Did you pay attention? Your valuable books have their place. Our argument is for claiming to bring a verse like the Qur'an. No one has been able to. Even now no one can. And in the future until the end of the life of the world will not be able to. This is the claim of the wise God. Bring the opposite if you have a valid document. If you can recite a verse like the Qur'an yourself, claim so that we can examine it. And see. We are aware of your knowledge. Answer the claim of the Qur'an, please.

I have read the quran all through three times, and to me it is simplistic trash that is poorly written and it is extremely repetitive, and it is mostly plagiarism from the bible. The quran is just a bunch of verses lashed together mostly by the length of surah. It is not chronological and it continuously changes the subject. It may be more poetic in Arabic, but that is irrelevant.

Anyone can write a poem claiming to be a prophet and here is one I wrote.


I called myself a prophet,
I think I may be right,
I had a message from somwhere,
in the middle of the night.

It said that, " I am nameless,
but answer to all names,
I hear the prayers of many Worlds,
I suffer for their pains.

You cannot contain me,
I contain all life,
you are swimming in my sea,
whatever your beliefs.

You are all my children,
we cannot be apart,
a compass will not find me,
I am in your heart ".

 

[Scorpion]

Hello. Exactly. Thank you very much for your suggestion. It is not heresy. It is not heresy. It is not heresy. It is the truth. We do not understand the Qur'an correctly. God did not say the Qur'an to create hatred and disbelief. He did not say to give some superiority over others. He did not speak of violence, enmity or war. To say that we have humanity. And let us look with humanity to the paradise that we were driven to sin. How long do we want to kill each other? How long? How long? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The Quran is paradise. And gives us heaven. Why do you want hell? Why do you think the Quran gives us hell? Let's think right. I live in this modern world. Do I have to see war and bloodshed in the modern world and the advancement of science and technology? So I better leave this world. I'm not afraid of anyone. From no one. God does not want me and you to die.
God wants our life and happiness. And I'm always happy. I laugh at you with love. I always laugh. I cry only for love. I never cry for sorrow or enmity. Because basically for me, enmity - war - killing and anything bad is not defined for everyone. And I do not accept. Because it should not be. And I stand like a mountain at the foot of my talk. I wish for a beautiful world. How do you want a world? What is your wish man?

I already posted the very long list of references to hell in the quran, which you simply dismissed as if it was not there.

 

[Scorpion]

You are not careful !! I have said to you and other friends many times: Hell and the torments of hell are just parables. In order for human beings not to approach sin. It is just a metaphor. Hell is singularity. The universe is back to this point. We all experience it. Why aren't you careful man? What are you worried about? It is the destiny of the universe to return to singularity.
You bother in vain. Rest.

Heydarian, This is what you said about the very long list of references to hell in the quran. You tell us it does not mean what it says.

I say it does mean what it says because Muhammad was trying to scare people into following him by threatening them with hell if they did not.

 

[abaddon]

Hello. Exactly. Thank you very much for your suggestion.

Which you will ignore.

And I understand why you are scared. Look what you wrote. Did anyone elsle feel the the need to write this? nly you did. and that is more than odd.

It is not heresy. It is not heresy. It is not heresy. It is the truth. We do not understand the Qur'an correctly. God did not say the Qur'an to create hatred and disbelief. He did not say to give some superiority over others. He did not speak of violence, enmity or war. To say that we have humanity. And let us look with humanity to the paradise that we were driven to sin. How long do we want to kill each other? How long? How long? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The Quran is paradise. And gives us heaven. Why do you want hell? Why do you think the Quran gives us hell? Let's think right. I live in this modern world. Do I have to see war and bloodshed in the modern world and the advancement of science and technology? So I better leave this world. I'm not afraid of anyone. From no one. God does not want me and you to die.
God wants our life and happiness. And I'm always happy. I laugh at you with love. I always laugh. I cry only for love. I never cry for sorrow or enmity. Because basically for me, enmity - war - killing and anything bad is not defined for everyone. And I do not accept. Because it should not be. And I stand like a mountain at the foot of my talk. I wish for a beautiful world. How do you want a world? What is your wish man?

That reads like fear and panic about an imaginary deity. Should I care as much About Mo, or Allah or unicorns or pixies, or ghosts, or poltergeists, or dowsing. or ouija boards, or tarot cards, or astrology.

 

[abaddon]

I already posted the very long list of references to hell in the quran, which you simply dismissed as if it was not there.

Well, yeah. He is working to an agenda. To him, only the agenda matters. You and I could actually have a discussion about pretty much anything, and while we might disagree, we would still have a polite discussion.

Not so with our protagonist.

 

[sackett]

Hi Professor. No. This is just your impression. How does a star fall? And be destroyed? Where does it go after destruction? Let's talk scientifically. The Qur'an is all about science that modern science is thirsty for. Unfortunately, we do not want to see the facts hidden in the Qur'an. The choice is yours ...

Don't call me professor! I work for a living!

 

[abaddon]

I'm sorry. I do not know your culture. But I would love to get to know your culture. Do not dodge. Guide me. Thanks

You want guidance about my culture. No problem. Traditionally trolls live under bridges.

Does that help?

 

[sackett]

Well, yeah. He is working to an agenda. To him, only the agenda matters. You and I could actually have a discussion about pretty much anything, and while we might disagree, we would still have a polite discussion.

Not so with our protagonist.

Here I want to defend poor old heydarian. He maintains a polite tone under provocations that would drive a chrrrristian foaming mad with hate. He uses old Persian locutions that the West has never learned, nor, apparently, could learn. His tone is soft, caressing, and patient, while we scuffle and kick at the bounds of civility.

Maddening, isn't he?

 

[malbui]

Hello. Good luck. Tell us the result of your research after you came back from CERN. I am very happy. Thanks

* snort *

 

[Chanakya]

Here I want to defend poor old heydarian. He maintains a polite tone under provocations that would drive a chrrrristian foaming mad with hate. He uses old Persian locutions that the West has never learned, nor, apparently, could learn. His tone is soft, caressing, and patient, while we scuffle and kick at the bounds of civility.

Maddening, isn't he?

Less the dening.

But sure, and as you say, usually civil. Not unfailingly, but often enough that that does him credit.

Not that one speaks to the other. Two separate, and independent, quadrants.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Here I want to defend poor old heydarian. He maintains a polite tone under provocations that would drive a chrrrristian foaming mad with hate. He uses old Persian locutions that the West has never learned, nor, apparently, could learn. His tone is soft, caressing, and patient, while we scuffle and kick at the bounds of civility.

Maddening, isn't he?

He may be seriously trying to be polite, but I doubt it. His tone too consistently condescending and sarcastic to be unintentional.

He is a troll.

Hans

 

[Chanakya]

...He is a troll...

For his sake, I hope so.

Because the alternative is ...pathetic. And in as much that kind of hopelessly addled thinking is surely not unique to him, it offers little hope for the world in general. So much better that he should be a troll, who's simply out to have his perverted fun, yanking at the chains of those skeptics.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

How do ants speak Hebrew?

Second time.

 

[Chanakya]

Translation software?

 

[Scorpion]

STOP THIS THREAD NOW !

Lets turn it into a competition to write a surah like the Quran.

Heydarian says it cannot be done, because the Quran says so. He said it is so profound it must be a message from God. Lets prove him wrong and write surahs like the Quran.
I already posted one at post 2520 but that was satirical. I can do a serious attempt too.

I challenge the forum members to produce a surah of their own.

 

[IanS]

Hello
-I have already presented an article in this regard. Professor Suarez "discovered the existence of invisible consciousness in the smallest structural particle of the universe, which is photons." So all the structural particles of the universe are conscious.

I remember you mentioning this man Suarez in earlier posts, though I don't remember you producing a proper reference to any real science paper making a claim that photons are "conscious". Please produce a proper reference to a real published paper with that claim.

Where is the real paper please?

I think what you are doing with that claim, and in fact with all of the hundreds of such claims you have made here, is that you are looking on the internet for Islamic websites that make all these claims, you are believing all their religious claims, and you are then posting it all here.

But those Islamic websites that you are using are bogus dishonest religious propaganda (Christians also have masses of sites like that all over the internet, making all sorts of very similar claims about their God and their holy books). They are not reporting real published science. You need to use genuine scientific sources and real scientific papers if you want to learn what science has really discovered and what it really says.

I think that is the difference between you and almost everyone else here (mostly atheists) - you are deliberately looking for sources that claim to show evidence for the existence of God and claim to show that your holy book is all true. Whereas almost everyone else here (and atheists in general), are looking first and foremost for the evidence of what is true or what is likely to be true about anything, and then they/we form our opinions from that evidence ... that's the scientific way to do it ... that's actually the honest way to do it ...

... in contrast what you are doing is the the same thing as almost all religious people do - you are deliberately looking for websites that support your beliefs about God and holy books (and you are using that as your education).