heydarian saeed
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heydarian saeed
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... 2040 ... In other words, it is divided into seven components. Which is between the steps of number eight and number nineteen. Hell is a reservoir of Fundamental particles. Let's go back to the three groups of Fundamental particles, of which there are four Fundamental particles in each group. And each has its own pair next to it.
Be careful; All elementary particles still hold the heart in their pair. And their pair have not yet Anti .That is, they have not been opposed. And they live together. The extremely high heat has made them intimate. Now we understand that the number eight is ruling here. This stage is a chapter or a door and the door does not mean.
When the universe wanted to expand in the past, the pairs parted. And matter opposites follow the path of a parallel universe. And are separated. Matter makes our universe. And antimatter creates a parallel universe. All three groups lose their opposites. And are added together. The 12 elementary particles fall into three groups.
And they have to get organized before the universe opens. This is also a chapter of hell. One of the chapters of the other seasons is the fire of hell. Quarks were of six types in group eight. And the electron and electron groups of neutrinos from the first group and muons and muon and neutrinos from the second group and towns and taotonutrinos from the third group must make hadrons.
Six basic particles come together. The hadron structure of these six particles has no mass. And the Higgs boson must criminalize them. The quarks are ready. And they do not need to be arranged and interpreted according to the Qur'an. They must also be ready for the expansion of the universe. Until the stem particles of the hadrons are ready. Six hadron particles and one Higgs boson particle become seven particles.
They have this seventh chapter of hell. These are the seven gates of hell. All these particles were merged. And are formed as the heat goes down. So we had chapter eight. Which is before chapter seven. And we have Chapter 19. Which is after chapter seven. And as soon as the universe expands, it creates the forces of nature.
19 is the number of particle or particle force. And eight, the partition model of these elementary particles. Which is known as the octagonal model in physics.
And God says in the first verse of Sura 35: I have placed the four laws in the form of angels at the beginning of the expansion and creation of matter. Quarks are all organized. And six groups of quarks and seven muons, towns, and corresponding electrons and positrons have been created. The number 19 is called Saqar.
The beginning of the expansion of the universe is the beginning of the creation of matter. Which must be connected. And create the nucleus shell of atoms in six periods. (Six periods of creation) Now imagine all the stated steps in reverse. That the universe reaches them due to compression. That is, all material elements enter hell.
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Be careful; All elementary particles still hold the heart in their pair. And their pair have not yet Anti .That is, they have not been opposed. And they live together. The extremely high heat has made them intimate. Now we understand that the number eight is ruling here. This stage is a chapter or a door and the door does not mean.
When the universe wanted to expand in the past, the pairs parted. And matter opposites follow the path of a parallel universe. And are separated. Matter makes our universe. And antimatter creates a parallel universe. All three groups lose their opposites. And are added together. The 12 elementary particles fall into three groups.
And they have to get organized before the universe opens. This is also a chapter of hell. One of the chapters of the other seasons is the fire of hell. Quarks were of six types in group eight. And the electron and electron groups of neutrinos from the first group and muons and muon and neutrinos from the second group and towns and taotonutrinos from the third group must make hadrons.
Six basic particles come together. The hadron structure of these six particles has no mass. And the Higgs boson must criminalize them. The quarks are ready. And they do not need to be arranged and interpreted according to the Qur'an. They must also be ready for the expansion of the universe. Until the stem particles of the hadrons are ready. Six hadron particles and one Higgs boson particle become seven particles.
They have this seventh chapter of hell. These are the seven gates of hell. All these particles were merged. And are formed as the heat goes down. So we had chapter eight. Which is before chapter seven. And we have Chapter 19. Which is after chapter seven. And as soon as the universe expands, it creates the forces of nature.
19 is the number of particle or particle force. And eight, the partition model of these elementary particles. Which is known as the octagonal model in physics.
And God says in the first verse of Sura 35: I have placed the four laws in the form of angels at the beginning of the expansion and creation of matter. Quarks are all organized. And six groups of quarks and seven muons, towns, and corresponding electrons and positrons have been created. The number 19 is called Saqar.
The beginning of the expansion of the universe is the beginning of the creation of matter. Which must be connected. And create the nucleus shell of atoms in six periods. (Six periods of creation) Now imagine all the stated steps in reverse. That the universe reaches them due to compression. That is, all material elements enter hell.
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heydarian saeed
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... 2042 ... "All human beings, whether believers or infidels, have to go through the stage of hell!" So do not worry. We will all meet in hell! But .... According to the verses of the Qur'an, the stage of separation of photons of believers and infidels is in hell. Photons each have their own code. Which belongs to one person. And no photon has the same code. So my photons are clear. Everyone's photon is known independently.
God says in the Qur'an: I will send the jinn and mankind and all that is (to the starting point of the expansion of the universe. This is the destiny and path of the material world) into Hell. (enter into singularity) Because I separate everyone's photons. This is because: my photon is the kind that belongs to me. And structural information of the body and my personal characteristics and actions.
Which is recorded in a special book (Mobin), ie the data recording center of the material world. And these photons are all gathered and divided in hell. When he says in verse 50 of Sura 17: As I created you for the first time from the stage of cosmic expansion. And I took it out. That is, we came out of the light of God's nature. Which is a rich source of photons.
And I recreate you in the same way.
I will not create you on the Day of Resurrection. No. Rather, he says: I will recreation you. As explained above.
Therefore, our mentality has been wrong for the divine punishment we have had so far. And as I said above: We all go back to the starting point of creation. And we see the stage of fire and heat beyond imagination. And we experience.
God is the most merciful. Punishment is contrary to God's mercy. And it does not fit in God. This is the fate of the material world. Which reaches the point of singularity and temperature 10 to the power of 32 degrees Kelvin. All the terms and words that are mentioned for torment in the Qur'an. It is a metaphor.
Note: Human skin and flesh are removed with boiling water (100 ° C). Is separated. Heat 10 to 32 degrees is not for human skin and flesh. The shells of atoms are peeled off. And stem particles are released. And we have all become elementary particles. And we are in this heat.
And after passing this stage, the particles and photons of the believers and the disbelievers are separated. In the last stage, the disbelievers are imagined in the above heat. This means that they disappear in the same fire. And the believers reach the pure energy and light of the essence of God. That is, they reject the fire of hell. And cross it. And reach eternal life.
Of course, there are believers whose actions are in vain. They have been sinners. These will be dealt with with the disbelievers in a single account. And like them, they stay in the fire of hell.
Hell is a fire ruled by dense and powerful forces. (Angels) The environment is very compact and full of energy. We need to keep our minds off the fact that angels are angels with wings. And like us humans take orders. And they have a special shape. And are executioners. Let's get out. These are the definitions of the material world.
Criteria and definitions will fade in the resurrection. Their existence is inconceivable for us. And their work system is special. God also has his own way.
At the end of this discussion, I bring verse 40 of Sura 41 as a reminder. Meaning: "Those who follow the path of atheism (ie misunderstanding and deviation) in our verses. Their deeds are not hidden from us. Is the one who is left in the fire better? Or the one who enters peacefully on the Day of Resurrection? "You want to do it. But know that we are watching over your actions and taking care of your work." (Heaven or Hell)
God says in the Qur'an: I will send the jinn and mankind and all that is (to the starting point of the expansion of the universe. This is the destiny and path of the material world) into Hell. (enter into singularity) Because I separate everyone's photons. This is because: my photon is the kind that belongs to me. And structural information of the body and my personal characteristics and actions.
Which is recorded in a special book (Mobin), ie the data recording center of the material world. And these photons are all gathered and divided in hell. When he says in verse 50 of Sura 17: As I created you for the first time from the stage of cosmic expansion. And I took it out. That is, we came out of the light of God's nature. Which is a rich source of photons.
And I recreate you in the same way.
I will not create you on the Day of Resurrection. No. Rather, he says: I will recreation you. As explained above.
Therefore, our mentality has been wrong for the divine punishment we have had so far. And as I said above: We all go back to the starting point of creation. And we see the stage of fire and heat beyond imagination. And we experience.
God is the most merciful. Punishment is contrary to God's mercy. And it does not fit in God. This is the fate of the material world. Which reaches the point of singularity and temperature 10 to the power of 32 degrees Kelvin. All the terms and words that are mentioned for torment in the Qur'an. It is a metaphor.
Note: Human skin and flesh are removed with boiling water (100 ° C). Is separated. Heat 10 to 32 degrees is not for human skin and flesh. The shells of atoms are peeled off. And stem particles are released. And we have all become elementary particles. And we are in this heat.
And after passing this stage, the particles and photons of the believers and the disbelievers are separated. In the last stage, the disbelievers are imagined in the above heat. This means that they disappear in the same fire. And the believers reach the pure energy and light of the essence of God. That is, they reject the fire of hell. And cross it. And reach eternal life.
Of course, there are believers whose actions are in vain. They have been sinners. These will be dealt with with the disbelievers in a single account. And like them, they stay in the fire of hell.
Hell is a fire ruled by dense and powerful forces. (Angels) The environment is very compact and full of energy. We need to keep our minds off the fact that angels are angels with wings. And like us humans take orders. And they have a special shape. And are executioners. Let's get out. These are the definitions of the material world.
Criteria and definitions will fade in the resurrection. Their existence is inconceivable for us. And their work system is special. God also has his own way.
At the end of this discussion, I bring verse 40 of Sura 41 as a reminder. Meaning: "Those who follow the path of atheism (ie misunderstanding and deviation) in our verses. Their deeds are not hidden from us. Is the one who is left in the fire better? Or the one who enters peacefully on the Day of Resurrection? "You want to do it. But know that we are watching over your actions and taking care of your work." (Heaven or Hell)
Lothian
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You promised us evidence of the supernatural. Your latest hellish witterings are pure fiction and frankly not very good fiction. The ancient Greeks did it so much better.
psionl0
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I have no wish to defend somebody who falsely claims to have done "some research in the lab to prove the supernatural" then pulls a bait and switch and evangelizes about the Qur'an instead.
However, this forum provides a religion section precisely so that somebody can air their beliefs and have them examined. If you find this objectionable . . . . .
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Surah 41.40 translation by Yusuf Ali
Those who pervert the Truth in Our Signs are not hidden from Us. Which is
better?- he that is cast into the Fire, or he that comes safe through, on the Day of Judgment? Do what ye will: verily He seeth (clearly) all that ye do.
I see you are trying to scare atheists with hell now, but your translation of verse 41.40 is false, the verse says nothing about atheists.
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You know nothing about angels, because all you have is the Quran, and that is an evil book of lies about God.
Lothian
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I don't have a problem. I am examining them and find no evidential support.
To enjoy a book that has fantastic stories with no evidential support (Bible, lord of the rings, the iliad) is not childish but to believe they are literally true in my opinion is. YMMV.
abaddon
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Great. Exactly how many times is the Higgs Boson mentioned? Or Higgs? Or boson?
Or how about the neutrino flux? Your magic book describes that in detail, right?
Plate tectonics? Well you are about to tell us exactly which Sura describes that.
RTGs? I am certain you are about to pop up a verse that explains how we power our further probes in the abscence of sunlight.
Open heart surgery? Not a problem. The magic book tells you exactly how to do that, in detail.
Wanna travel faster that light? The magic book tells you exactly how to build a superluminal space vehicle. Blueprints and all. Complete with dimensions in furlongs per fortnight.
That's right Heydarian, isn't it? That is all in the magic book clear as day, right Heydarian?
After all, as the great philosopher Gaius Baltar said "I don't want to die alone" and no god can deny that.
psionl0
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. . . . and getting personal.
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You keep saying the angels are nothing but forces of nature and quoting surah 35.1
Praise be to God, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth,
Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two, or three, or four (pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for God has power over all things.
But this verse says nothing abut forces. It says angels have wings.
If angels are nothing but forces of nature with no senses or intellect, how do you account for the angel Gabriel giving messages to Muhammad ?
Let me tell you the real truth I learned from spiritualist trance mediums.
There is no Satan, there will be no judgement day, there is no hellfire.
Angels are a separate race of beings that never incarnate, They do not have wings and they are asexual. They may appear to us as male or female but they are neither.
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Lothian
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Feel free to report any rule breaks you think need actioning.
It's not a new question. It's one of the 5 or 6 that I asked you long long ago, and where you could never answer any of them.
Why are we still "waiting"; it's not a difficult question - the answer is clearly stated in your Koran (which you have "read 1000 times").
What is the answer in your Koran?... How Did God Make Man ?
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Is the above supposed to be surah 69.13 to 69.17 ? because here are those verses.
69.13 Then, when one blast is sounded on the Trumpet,
69.14 And the earth is moved, and its mountains, and they are crushed to powder
at one stroke,-
69.15 On that Day shall the (Great) Event come to pass.
69.16 And the sky will be rent asunder, for it will that Day be flimsy,
69.17 And the angels will be on its sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the Throne
of thy Lord above them.
Is it treating us all here as children or child-like if heydarian believes that we should agree with him when he tells us that simple banal sentences in the Koran saying something like “ By the sky and the night comer – And what can make you know what is the night comer? It is the piercing star.” , is definitely and clearly a description Neutron Stars or Pulsars? … because heydarian clearly does believe that we should immediately accept that he is correct to claim that, because as he tells us “it is in any case the word of God himself!” … is it childish to believe things like that? … the sources that heydarain is following, i.e. the the so-called “I'jaz writers/preachers”, claim to have found over 1000 such absolute facts of modern science already shown in the Koran from 600AD …
… should we believe 1000 claims like that from such simplistic banal sentences? … or is it perfectly reasonable to describe such beliefs as “childish”? … at one point in this thread heydarain spent page after page insisting that Noah (he of the Arc) was indeed 900 years old, because he told us that it says so in the Koran, and that must be true & correct because everyone agrees that the Koran is certainly the very word of God himself … is it reasonable for an adult in the 21st century to believe that a man named Noah lived to be 900 years old (he was apparently aged 600 years when he hand-built his huge Arc) … you might tell that to children, and young children might believe you (at least until they got some sort of proper honest education about superstitious fairy stories), but it is not credible for educated 21st century adults to believe that, is it?
Similarly, also in the Koran it tells us that Adam (he of the Adam & Eve pairing) was 90ft tall. Should adults today believe that? Might children still believe that if a seemingly responsible adult insisted to them that it was undoubtedly the very word of God? Or is that again utterly “Childish”.
There are over 1000 claims like that made from the Koran to prove God by showing that the verses truly describe modern 21st century nuclear physics and all of science. If you do not like it said that you have to be “childish” to believe any of that, then how about “as an adult today (21st century), you really have be either monumentally naive or else a religiously deluded idiot to believe any of those fundamentalist claims preached from the I'jaz of the Koran”
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psionl0
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I am just pointing out that you are abusing a poster for using the religious section exactly the way that it was intended.
If you don't like nutcasery being posted in the religious section then maybe you should do the reporting.
psionl0
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His views are fair game for all and sundry. Telling a poster where to go because they are posting nonsense is not.Is it treating us all here as children or child-like if heydarian believes that we should agree with him when he tells us that simple banal sentences in the Koran saying something like “ By the sky and the night comer – And what can make you know what is the night comer? It is the piercing star.” , is definitely and clearly a description Neutron Stars or Pulsars? … because heydarian clearly does believe that we should immediately accept that he is correct to claim that, because as he tells us “it is in any case the word of God himself!” … is it childish to believe things like that? … the sources that heydarain is following, i.e. the the so-called “I'jaz writers/preachers”, claim to have found over 1000 such absolute facts of modern science already shown in the Koran from 600AD …
… should we believe 1000 claims like that from such simplistic banal sentences? … or is it perfectly reasonable to describe such beliefs as “childish”? … at one point in this thread heydarain spent page after page insisting that Noah (he of the Arc) was indeed 900 years old, because he told us that it says so in the Koran, and that must be true & correct because everyone agrees that the Koran is certainly the very word of God himself … is it reasonable for an adult in the 21st century to believe that a man named Noah lived to be 900 years old (he was apparently aged 600 years when he hand-built his huge Arc) … you might tell that to children, and young children might believe you (at least until they got some sort of proper honest education about superstitious fairy stories), but it is not credible for educated 21st century adults to believe that, is it?
Similarly, also in the Koran it tells us that Adam (he of the Adam & Eve pairing) was 90ft tall. Should adults today believe that? Might children still believe that if a seemingly responsible adult insisted to them that it was undoubtedly the very word of God? Or is that again utterly “Childish”.
There are over 1000 claims like that made from the Koran to prove God by showing that the verses truly describe modern 21st century nuclear physics and all of science. If you do not like it said that you have to be “childish” to believe any of that, then how about “as an adult today (21st century), you really have be either monumentally naive or else a religiously deluded idiot to believe any of those fundamentalist claims preached from the I'jaz of the Koran”
If you don't like what heydarian saeed is posting then the best way to deal with that is to deprive him of oxygen by not responding to his posts and letting this thread die a natural death. That will never happen though. The bigger the nutcase, the more posters who want to prove him wrong. I suspect that this thread will have at least 10 parts before the discussion dies (or heydarian saeed leaves).
Lothian
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I never told anyone where to go.His views are fair game for all and sundry. Telling a poster where to go because they are posting nonsense is not.
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I appreciate that some hold religious views as special and think believers should be protected in a way that those who take a political or social position should not.
I don't agree. There is nothing special about religion or belief in religion that affords it different treatment.
Irrational beliefs should be challenged. It is childish to believe in a magic entity that has no evidential support.
My comment 'Grow up and leave childish stories behind you', could apply to believers in Santa, the jedi, ghosts, creationism anti-Semitism, Atlantis or alchemy. It is the stories and beliefs I am labelling childish not the person. It is not like I called him a nutcase.
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His views are fair game for all and sundry. Telling a poster where to go because they are posting nonsense is not.
If you don't like what heydarian saeed is posting then the best way to deal with that is to deprive him of oxygen by not responding to his posts and letting this thread die a natural death. That will never happen though. The bigger the nutcase, the more posters who want to prove him wrong. I suspect that this thread will have at least 10 parts before the discussion dies (or heydarian saeed leaves).
Well you seem to be now calling heydarian a "nutcase" lol!
I don't think he's actually "a nutcase", if by that we mean mentally ill.
I think he's just an example of what religion does to people. Ie they almost inevitably have to fall into the dangerous absurdity of literally believing the most obviously nonsensical things.
As for how long the thread will go on ... well, who knows ... but what heydarian is trying to do is keep preaching huge tracts of I'jaz claims until everyone stops disagreeing with him or stops opposing him by asking him to explain how basic simple sentences that say not a single word about Pulsars or Black holes or quantum states, are actually a description of all those things given by God to a man named Mohamed in 600AD, and where that is known as a definite fact because we have it from God himself.
Do you think beliefs like that are dangerous? Because I do.
Do you think beliefs like that should be taught to children by way of insisting they are the very word of God? Because I don't believe children's minds should be insistently filled with stuff like that … I think that definitely is dangerous.
We are talking here about Islamic religious fundamentalism. Heydarian says he is NOT a fundamentalist, but the I'jaz claims that he's preaching clearly are fundamentalist … the whole point of these claims is that they are presented as a proof of God, and also a proof of the supremacy of Islam. That's really just another aspect of what has motivated all of the lethally dangerous fundamentalists of IS and Al-Q and all their many thousands of adherents in the UK and all over the EU who go around supporting or actually carrying out attempts at mass murder bombings etc. in London, Paris, Munich, Madrid etc. … they are equally fundamentalists in believing that God has called them to their Jihad mission against the “infidels” (just to quote heydarians own word for us as non-believers) where it is their religious duty to “behead those who insult Islam” (to quote from the banner that was waved around in London by one such group … and by the way, some time after that, a UK convert to Islam tried to do exactly that to an off-duty soldier in a London street) … the words and the preaching and the insistence on knowing the reality of almighty God, do have real consequences).
Should we just let people carry on preaching these beliefs? Preaching them insistently to young children? With what are now, 1-billion or more Muslims around the world? How many believe and preach and insist on fundamentalist stuff like this? I don't know how many, but it is apparently a large number within the Islamic faith … should we just turn a blind eye and not try to dissuade them from these things? I don't think so.
turingtest
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Thanks for that, Scorpion. Heydarian- wouldn't you agree that there's a pretty big difference between accurately translating a verse from one language to another, hoping the meaning you want can be gleaned from the result, and just dishonestly re-writing the verse so it says directly what you need? The fact that you went to use quote marks around your "translation" (although you seem to have forgotten to close the quote) suggests that you either don't understand the difference (the charitable take) or just don't think it's a difference worth admitting.
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