The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

Muhammad was a human being like you and me. And there is no superiority. Except that he conveyed God's message by God's command. All the words of some of you who say: Muhammad wanted war and with war he wanted to conquer everything in the world. It is just a lie. I have said many times that you should bring your own evidence and reason for these lies. You haven't even read history. See what history says to Muhammad. Is history a lie? Or are you a liar? I'm sorry.
So how dare you insult a prophet who is confirmed and valid in history. Unfortunately, you insult and disrespect both religion and the Prophet. I'm sorry. How polite are you? What culture do you have that you can not negotiate and interview properly? It is unfortunate. Well, you see, I am a Muslim. I will never insult or disrespect you or anyone else. Even if it is against my religion. And be contrary to my belief and faith. I will never insult him. Rather, I argue freely with him. And I even accept some of his talk and reasons. Like my discussion to you in this group.
You see how I talk to you. But how do you behave? And how you speak. I swear to God, I stand against my beliefs like a mountain. And I believe in God and the Qur'an. you understood. I do not exchange the whole universe with the Qur'an.
Please those who are polite. Get into a discussion. And speak with reason and evidence. I wish you all good health and success from the bottom of my heart.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No. This may be a translation error but it's a big one. The universe is also full of forms of energy which are not matter.

Hello to you and your beautiful flower. You said very nicely. Good. If energy is not matter, then what is? What is her gender? Thanks

 

[Mojo]

Hello to all. Do you agree that the universe is all matter?

No, some of it is energy.

The simplest thing that you all understand is that: Science and knowledge exist in the universe but are not of the material kind. Do you understand that science and knowledge are not material.

Is your argument that god exists because we can imagine things?

I also understand the science you are talking about.

On the evidence of what you have posted in this thread, you clearly don’t.

And I believe in whatever science you say. And I have no objection.

Again, the evidence in this thread shows that this is not true.

 

[Pixel42]

Hello to all. Do you agree that the universe is all matter? Good. I think this is your only belief that the universe is made up of only matter? is it right?

No. There's also energy, gravity, electromagnetism, the strong and weak nuclear forces ...

What are the properties of matter? Can it make itself according to the properties of the material you accept? By what mechanism? How? Tell me to understand.

Matter can be made from energy, and vice versa, e.g. by nuclear fusion.

You simply do not have sufficient knowledge and understanding of physics and cosmology to grasp the possible answers to the questions you're asking, heydarian. But that doesn't mean you can just reject them and substitute your simplistic, inadequate and unevidenced "god did it" answer.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Let me say this again. In the Qur'an, he only mentions various scientific cases. And this is because man is encouraged. And motivate him to seek the discovery of science. Therefore, it does not provide details of science, measurements, calculations and experiments. These are left to man himself. Yes, humans have extensive discoveries in this way and all are accepted. And it is admirable. Scientific cases in the Qur'an are mostly stated in general terms. Also use words that all human beings can understand. Educated people and scientists should understand these words. And illiterate or illiterate people.To understand.
I have already given an example. The Qur'an says: God will open the gates of heaven on the Day of Judgment! This sentence seems strange at first. Good. Humans have a right to be surprised by this phrase. But when we think about it. What did God mean by opening the door to the sky?!
Humans only knew the word door 14 centuries ago. Because of this, God has spoken the word door to heaven. But in the 20th century, the door to heaven may be strange or even ridiculous. But when black holes were discovered by scientists. And they saw it with the calculations of astrophysics and Hubble. They realized that a black hole in the sky was like a door. Isn't that so? So the door to the sky meant the same black holes. This is true. But you still have the power to do more research. That means the sky door is space black holes. Which has now been discovered. All scientific cases in the Qur'an are the same. Kelly has been told. It is the responsibility of man to discover its details. For this reason, science is not in conflict with the Qur'an. And they are together.
The Qur'an is said for Human. All Humans. Humans 14 centuries ago and people of the twentieth century. And the people of the coming centuries. And it is not against human science. And it is not against the good human life. And it is not against having fun and enjoying human life. The whole world is for man. The Qur'an only guides how to live a good and healthy life. God & The Qur'an One hundred percent opposed to war.

 

[Mojo]

Let me say this again. In the Qur'an, he only mentions various scientific cases. And this is because man is encouraged. And motivate him to seek the discovery of science. Therefore, it does not provide details of science, measurements, calculations and experiments. These are left to man himself. Yes, humans have extensive discoveries in this way and all are accepted. And it is admirable. Scientific cases in the Qur'an are mostly stated in general terms.

In other words, not science, just waffle and handwaving.

I have already given an example. The Qur'an says: God will open the gates of heaven on the Day of Judgment! This sentence seems strange at first. Good. Humans have a right to be surprised by this phrase. But when we think about it. What did God mean by opening the door to the sky?!
Humans only knew the word door 14 centuries ago. Because of this, God has spoken the word door to heaven. But in the 20th century, the door to heaven may be strange or even ridiculous. But when black holes were discovered by scientists. And they saw it with the calculations of astrophysics and Hubble. They realized that a black hole in the sky was like a door. Isn't that so?

No, it isn’t. It’s utter nonsense.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No. There's also energy, gravity, electromagnetism, the strong and weak nuclear forces ...



Matter can be made from energy, and vice versa, e.g. by nuclear fusion.

You simply do not have sufficient knowledge and understanding of physics and cosmology to grasp the possible answers to the questions you're asking, heydarian. But that doesn't mean you can just reject them and substitute your simplistic, inadequate and unevidenced "god did it" answer.

Hi. Thank you for your kind words. It is great that in the universe we have other things besides matter. Like energy and ... well, what kind are they? That is my question. By the way, even if we do not know the gender of these. This is not because they are able to build themselves. Of course, we believe that the reason for the creation of beings is the universe itself. That is, there are causes of creation in the universe itself. And we share this belief. We only say that the raw material or the whole universe has a creator. That should not be of this world, because if it is, then the question arises again, who made him?

We Muslims have something in common with you infidels in belief in God or atheism. pay attention. We believe that the universe itself is the creator of many things. Because of the same materials and forces that we know. You also believe in this. And this is a good common ground between us. We just say. The raw material and the whole system of the universe were cCreated by someone other than the materials and objects of the world. And it's different. This is our difference with you. And we know this as God. No specific name can be assumed for God. You call it the sun. Say whatever you want. But it must not be of the world. Because if he is from the world, someone else must have made him. And this does not make sense.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No. There's also energy, gravity, electromagnetism, the strong and weak nuclear forces ...



Matter can be made from energy, and vice versa, e.g. by nuclear fusion.

You simply do not have sufficient knowledge and understanding of physics and cosmology to grasp the possible answers to the questions you're asking, heydarian. But that doesn't mean you can just reject them and substitute your simplistic, inadequate and unevidenced "god did it" answer.

By the way, we or you do not need to know the whole universe. This is the work of scientists. And it is admirable. Each of us understands according to our scientific abilities. And there is no objection to anyone. Please think better. I am not illiterate. I am an occupational health and industrial safety engineer. With 30 years of useful work. In a variety of industries.
Senior Manager in various industries. right now Advisor to the CEO on the subject HSE.

 

[Lothian]

We only say that the raw material or the whole universe has a creator. That should not be of this world, because if it is, then the question arises again, who made him?

You spotted the flaw in your God theory. Special pleading doesn't help you.

 

[Pixel42]

By the way, we or you do not need to know the whole universe. This is the work of scientists. And it is admirable. Each of us understands according to our scientific abilities. And there is no objection to anyone. Please think better. I am not illiterate. I am an occupational health and industrial safety engineer. With 30 years of useful work. In a variety of industries.
Senior Manager in various industries. right now Advisor to the CEO on the subject HSE.

You know nothing about physics and cosmology and are therefore incapable of grasping what those disciplines tell us about possible answers to fundamental questions about the universe, including its origin. Answers which are far superior to your simplistic, inadequate and unevidenced "god did it" answer.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Did I just read a religionista complaining about a lack of respect towards their made-up-as-they-go-along beliefs, based on whatever old myths and fairy stories?

How about you religionistas start treating each other with respect, be that different sects within your own cult or members of a competing cult, let alone those of us who have enough sense not to need your little stories? And try giving the ordering folk around, especially those who don't subscribe to your particular news letter, on the basis of those old stories a rest for a time? And stop trying to claim special privileges based on your old stories, many of which act against the interests of everyone else (avoiding taxes, being guaranteed representation in the legislature, just for 2 UK examples)?

Oh, and stopping insisting that vague wafflings in which ever "holy" book actually have any relevance to scientific knowledge and reducing everything to a nonsensical "goddidit because goddidit because goddidit because only goddidit can work because I say so" might be good too.

Give all that lot a go for several decades, so we get a hint that you might mean it, then we can begin to see if you have earned any respect.

 

[heydarian saeed]

In other words, not science, just waffle and handwaving.

The word sky door describes exactly the space black holes in the sky. You are deliberately deceiving. And you are prejudiced. I wish you good health. You do not have a good approach. Think openly and freely. Do not cling to a vain thought !! Dogmatism is not a good approach. And inappropriate. Especially for educated people.



No, it isn’t. It’s utter nonsense.

The word sky door describes exactly the space black holes in the sky. You are deliberately deceiving. And you are prejudiced. I wish you good health. You do not have a good approach. Think openly and freely. Do not cling to a vain thought !! Dogmatism is not a good approach. And inappropriate. Especially for educated people.

 

[heydarian saeed]

You spotted the flaw in your God theory. Special pleading doesn't help you.

No. I have not seen the theory of violating God. Prove to me that there is no God. We speak freely. There is no begging. Please do not zoom in. Not good for your health. And you will have many problems. be careful. Speak logically.

 

[Dr.Sid]

No. I have not seen the theory of violating God. Prove to me that there is no God. We speak freely. There is no begging. Please do not zoom in. Not good for your health. And you will have many problems. be careful. Speak logically.

Not really. God is unnecessary concept. There is no need to disprove it. We just don't need it for anything.

 

[heydarian saeed]

You know nothing about physics and cosmology and are therefore incapable of grasping what those disciplines tell us about possible answers to fundamental questions about the universe, including its origin. Answers which are far superior to your simplistic, inadequate and unevidenced "god did it" answer.

Please think better. The same science that scientists have reached is created by God. What is science? where does he come from? Is it matter? Is it energy? It is enough that you can only answer these questions. Scientists have not yet been able to answer 10 important questions in the universe. Go and examine what are these 10 unanswered questions in the universe? And did they answer? Instead of motivating yourself to understand or learn science, you do the opposite. And you destroy motivation. You who have complete knowledge, answer these questions so that we can learn. Thank you

 

[Pixel42]

Please think better.

Please educate yourself. No amount of thinking will produce the correct answers if it is based on ignorance and false assumptions.

 

[Lothian]

No. I have not seen the theory of violating God. Prove to me that there is no God. We speak freely. There is no begging. Please do not zoom in. Not good for your health. And you will have many problems. be careful. Speak logically

Disprove the theory that it was created by a different God to your one. A God who made it, then forgot about it and has had no interaction since. Prove to me that there is no such God. We speak freely. There is no begging. Please do not zoom in. Not good for your health. And you will have many problems. be careful. Speak logically

 

[heydarian saeed]

Did I just read a religionista complaining about a lack of respect towards their made-up-as-they-go-along beliefs, based on whatever old myths and fairy stories?

How about you religionistas start treating each other with respect, be that different sects within your own cult or members of a competing cult, let alone those of us who have enough sense not to need your little stories? And try giving the ordering folk around, especially those who don't subscribe to your particular news letter, on the basis of those old stories a rest for a time? And stop trying to claim special privileges based on your old stories, many of which act against the interests of everyone else (avoiding taxes, being guaranteed representation in the legislature, just for 2 UK examples)?

Oh, and stopping insisting that vague wafflings in which ever "holy" book actually have any relevance to scientific knowledge and reducing everything to a nonsensical "goddidit because goddidit because goddidit because only goddidit can work because I say so" might be good too.

Give all that lot a go for several decades, so we get a hint that you might mean it, then we can begin to see if you have earned any respect.

Hello. I do not want to get involved in political debates. Let me just point out one thing: the religion of Islam and the Qur'an are not what's seemingly Islamic countries practice. No. There is a big difference between true Islam and the Qur'an and its implementation by Islamic countries. It is not Islam and the Qur'an that countries speak and practice Islam at all. Please understand what I mean. I will not talk more about the wrong policies of Islamic countries. And I do not want to talk about politics. But this is not Islam, the Qur'an and God. Islamic countries do not behave properly. And you who are infidels do not think correctly about Islam, God and the Qur'an. And you can not think right. Because you do not know right. And you also have blind prejudice. I'm sorry.
But then ... God has no need to worship me and you and no one else. God is God. God is for the whole world and beyond.. Everything in the universe worships him. Look well: all that is in the heavens and the earth, whether alive or inanimate, all know and worship God. All these celestial bodies that move in their orbits worship God. Open your eyes well to see. Unless you are blind and do not see. Your opinions are also respected. Value yourself. We are all waiting for that special event to happen so that we can see well.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Goddidit because goddidit because goddidit...

And you want respect for that level of nonsense? While demanding that other folk prove that goddidntdoit...

 

[heydarian saeed]

Not really. God is unnecessary concept. There is no need to disprove it. We just don't need it for anything.

Hello. This is exactly the sense of needlessness of the disbelievers who deny God. The need for God is not a feeling. pay attention. It does not feel. The logic of the universe needs a creator. It has nothing to do with the feelings of me and you and all the infidel people. Whether we like it or not, the universe wants a creator to move and reach its ultimate goal. The Creator is the need of the universe. Note: The causality procedure is completely correct. And we accept that. But we say that the chain of causality eventually reaches a being that is the full and original cause. And he is God. It is not very difficult to understand this logically and correctly. And obviously wisdom. And accepted.