The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

Goddidit because goddidit because goddidit...

And you want respect for that level of nonsense? While demanding that other folk prove that goddidntdoit...

I'm sorry I did not understand what you mean by this post? ... Tell me something so I can understand.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Hi. Thank you for your kind words. It is great that in the universe we have other things besides matter. Like energy and ... well, what kind are they? That is my question. By the way, even if we do not know the gender of these. This is not because they are able to build themselves. Of course, we believe that the reason for the creation of beings is the universe itself. That is, there are causes of creation in the universe itself. And we share this belief. We only say that the raw material or the whole universe has a creator. That should not be of this world, because if it is, then the question arises again, who made him?

We Muslims have something in common with you infidels in belief in God or atheism. pay attention. We believe that the universe itself is the creator of many things. Because of the same materials and forces that we know. You also believe in this. And this is a good common ground between us. We just say. The raw material and the whole system of the universe were cCreated by someone other than the materials and objects of the world. And it's different. This is our difference with you. And we know this as God. No specific name can be assumed for God. You call it the sun. Say whatever you want. But it must not be of the world. Because if he is from the world, someone else must have made him. And this does not make sense.

Do I know if it's a property of the universe that it can create itself out of nothing? No, I don't know that. But importantly nor do I know that it cannot.

You are of course free to believe with all your heart that the universe was deliberately created by a conscious entity separate from the physical universe itself and to be convinced that this entity also chose to send messages to a small number of humans. I don't have any desire to tell you are wrong, I simply don't find that sort of speculation convincing or necessary or useful. It just introduces another layer of stuff beyond anything we can explain or test or show to be real.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Hello. I do not want to get involved in political debates. Let me just point out one thing: the religion of Islam and the Qur'an are not what's seemingly Islamic countries practice. No. There is a big difference between true Islam and the Qur'an and its implementation by Islamic countries. It is not Islam and the Qur'an that countries speak and practice Islam at all. Please understand what I mean. I will not talk more about the wrong policies of Islamic countries. And I do not want to talk about politics. But this is not Islam, the Qur'an and God. Islamic countries do not behave properly. And you who are infidels do not think correctly about Islam, God and the Qur'an. And you can not think right. Because you do not know right. And you also have blind prejudice. I'm sorry.
But then ... God has no need to worship me and you and no one else. God is God. God is for the whole world and beyond.. Everything in the universe worships him. Look well: all that is in the heavens and the earth, whether alive or inanimate, all know and worship God. All these celestial bodies that move in their orbits worship God. Open your eyes well to see. Unless you are blind and do not see. Your opinions are also respected. Value yourself. We are all waiting for that special event to happen so that we can see well.

Re the highlighted: you reply in that manner and want respect? You just dismissed anyone and everyone who does not follow your "holy" book for no reason and accuse others of blind prejudice, while demanding respect? You deny the well-documented history of religious squabbles, both within and between different cults, and hand wave it away as people not really following the tenets of which ever cult and still want respect?

This excuse about folk not really practising what is in which ever "holy" book and so are not proper cultists has been used so many times that one begins to wonder who actually decides what the true representation of any cult actually is, especially as so many of them contradict each other about what the cult is and says...

Everything in the universe does NOT worship your "god": I certainly do not and my cats certainly do not; the coffe mug on my table does not; the table does not; the CD of Beethoven symphonies I'm playing now dos not worship any god. Making nonsensical claims like that one does not help your credibility with, well, anything.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Disprove the theory that it was created by a different God to your one. A God who made it, then forgot about it and has had no interaction since. Prove to me that there is no such God. We speak freely. There is no begging. Please do not zoom in. Not good for your health. And you will have many problems. be careful. Speak logically

Let me give you an example. Is everything in the universe repetitive? Doesn't something new happen every day? What are the causes of these new events? Isn't the universe moving? What causes the motion of the universe? Which way is it going? What is its purpose? Do you think there is a huge gravity that attracts the universe to itself? What is dark energy? What is dark matter? Where is the answer to these unknowns? Is not the law and order of creation purposeful? Think well. The answer to all these unknown questions is God's interaction. That is, God exists. And the creation of the universe is purposeful. And its driving force is God's motivator. Do you have any other answer than my answer? Tell us to check.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Do I know if it's a property of the universe that it can create itself out of nothing? No, I don't know that. But importantly nor do I know that it cannot.

You are of course free to believe with all your heart that the universe was deliberately created by a conscious entity separate from the physical universe itself and to be convinced that this entity also chose to send messages to a small number of humans. I don't have any desire to tell you are wrong, I simply don't find that sort of speculation convincing or necessary or useful. It just introduces another layer of stuff beyond anything we can explain or test or show to be real.

Very good. I am very pleased with your free speech. Our discussion with you should be the same and move forward to reach the right final result. This is really the correct approach that we do not know whether the universe has the ability to build itself or not. There is only one small thing: matter cannot make itself according to its properties. This is accepted by science. But besides matter, there are other things like energy and ... now we do not know that these can create? Thanks again.
Therefore, matter cannot be the Creator. Of course, we know the law of causality. And that's right. That matter in the universe can cause things to come into being according to a chain of causality. But this does not say the full cause. We are looking for the answer to the question, what is the full and original cause? Or who? So matter is not the answer to this question. What about energy and other things that are not material? Can they make the universe according to the law of causality? We are currently researching and reaching this question. If things other than matter can make the universe and be systematic and purposeful. We have reached the answer to the question. And this issue needs thorough research.
Thank you again for speaking logically. Good luck

 

[Pixel42]

Hello. This is exactly the sense of needlessness of the disbelievers who deny God. The need for God is not a feeling. pay attention. It does not feel. The logic of the universe needs a creator. It has nothing to do with the feelings of me and you and all the infidel people. Whether we like it or not, the universe wants a creator to move and reach its ultimate goal. The Creator is the need of the universe. Note: The causality procedure is completely correct. And we accept that. But we say that the chain of causality eventually reaches a being that is the full and original cause. And he is God. It is not very difficult to understand this logically and correctly. And obviously wisdom. And accepted.

Wrong. On the subatomic scale events can and do occur without a cause, so the causality principle is not completely correct. This has been known for nearly a century. Please stop assuming that everyone is as ignorant as you are.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Tell me something so I can understand.

Fire hot? Water wet? Don't take candy from strangers?

I mean help us out here what do we have to work with.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Re the highlighted: you reply in that manner and want respect? You just dismissed anyone and everyone who does not follow your "holy" book for no reason and accuse others of blind prejudice, while demanding respect? You deny the well-documented history of religious squabbles, both within and between different cults, and hand wave it away as people not really following the tenets of which ever cult and still want respect?

This excuse about folk not really practising what is in which ever "holy" book and so are not proper cultists has been used so many times that one begins to wonder who actually decides what the true representation of any cult actually is, especially as so many of them contradict each other about what the cult is and says...

Everything in the universe does NOT worship your "god": I certainly do not and my cats certainly do not; the coffe mug on my table does not; the table does not; the CD of Beethoven symphonies I'm playing now dos not worship any god. Making nonsensical claims like that one does not help your credibility with, well, anything.

I have read exactly the wars between religious sects and I only regret it. And you are right. Well, that's because of what I said. Islam and God and the Qur'an and other divine holy books The truth is not that we humans practice !! It is completely different. Religion - distort the scriptures and even the definitions of God. And vice versa. Do you understand? I think the same with you on this issue. And these unfortunate deeds have been done by us humans. Religion, the Qur'an and God are not like that. I enjoyed that you listen to Beethoven's symphonies and leave it in the group for us. Our religion has no objection to healthy entertainment. Personally, I personally really like fun. be happy. Good luck. I agree. I am not a dry and fanatical thinker. I am into sports - entertainment - movies - music - swimming - traveling.
And I do. I love you.

 

[Dr.Sid]

Hello. This is exactly the sense of needlessness of the disbelievers who deny God. The need for God is not a feeling. pay attention. It does not feel. The logic of the universe needs a creator. It has nothing to do with the feelings of me and you and all the infidel people. Whether we like it or not, the universe wants a creator to move and reach its ultimate goal. The Creator is the need of the universe. Note: The causality procedure is completely correct. And we accept that. But we say that the chain of causality eventually reaches a being that is the full and original cause. And he is God. It is not very difficult to understand this logically and correctly. And obviously wisdom. And accepted.

You are simply uncapable of science.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Please educate yourself. No amount of thinking will produce the correct answers if it is based on ignorance and false assumptions.

This seems to be a reoccurring theme with.. a certain unnamable demographic, the idea that knowledge can come from just sitting there and thinking about stuff a lot without like facts or evidence or testing or... reality.

 

[Mojo]

The word sky door describes exactly the space black holes in the sky.

Only if you define “door” as “an object with an escape velocity greater than 186,000 miles per second”, which would make getting in or out of your house a bit tricky.

 

[Mojo]

By the way, we or you do not need to know the whole universe. This is the work of scientists. And it is admirable. Each of us understands according to our scientific abilities. And there is no objection to anyone. Please think better. I am not illiterate. I am an occupational health and industrial safety engineer. With 30 years of useful work. In a variety of industries.
Senior Manager in various industries. right now Advisor to the CEO on the subject HSE.

Have you heard of the Salem hypothesis?

 

[Mojo]

God & The Qur'an One hundred percent opposed to war.

Are you sure you’ve read all of it?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Have you heard of the Salem hypothesis?

Or as I call it "Nurses and other non-actual-Doctor medical personnel are probably the biggest and loudest proponents of medical woo, alternative medicine, and anti-vax opinions."

"I know what this functionally does, but I don't know how it works" is bad mental spot to be in.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Let me give you an example. Is everything in the universe repetitive? Doesn't something new happen every day? What are the causes of these new events? Isn't the universe moving? What causes the motion of the universe? Which way is it going? What is its purpose? Do you think there is a huge gravity that attracts the universe to itself? What is dark energy? What is dark matter? Where is the answer to these unknowns? Is not the law and order of creation purposeful? Think well. The answer to all these unknown questions is God's interaction. That is, God exists. And the creation of the universe is purposeful. And its driving force is God's motivator. Do you have any other answer than my answer? Tell us to check.

Who or what created God? If everything has a cause, does not God have a cause?

Please find the end of a Möbius Strip. Not everything has an end -- Not everything has a cause.

 

[Scorpion]

God & The Qur'an One hundred percent opposed to war.

Quran 2.216 Fighting is prescribed upon you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

 

[Lothian]

Let me give you an example. Is everything in the universe repetitive?

No

Doesn't something new happen every day?

Yes

What are the causes of these new events?

They all have different causes. Cancer has a different cause to a tsunami or a smile.

Isn't the universe moving?

Expanding. There is movement within it.

What causes the motion of the universe?

Energy.

Which way is it going?

The universe is going out.

What is its purpose?

I don't think there is one. Why does there have to be a purpose? What is the purpose of berkelium?

Do you think there is a huge gravity that attracts the universe to itself?

There is gravity, it is not huge.

What is dark energy?

A force

What is dark matter?

A force

Where is the answer to these unknowns?

Google

Is not the law and order of creation purposeful?

No reason to presume so. What in your view is the purpose in creating viruses?

Think well. The answer to all these unknown questions is God's interaction. That is, God exists. And the creation of the universe is purposeful. And its driving force is God's motivator. Do you have any other answer than my answer? Tell us to check.

I have given you different answers. The answers to most of your questions are not unknown. 'Unknown' only comes into it when God is added. I know heart attacks kill people and there are things that can be done to limit the risk but not eliminate it. It seems random. Not unknown rather random. Add God and you do get unknown. How does God choose who to kill with a heart attack?
What is the purpose of God?
What is God's purpose of the Universe?
Where is God driving the Universe?

 

[JoeMorgue]

If we don't know how God works (and indeed can never know by design and purpose) then answering a question with "God did it" isn't an answer.

This is something I keep having to remind the woo slingers and the philosphiziers and the Proudly Wrong, an answer has to leave you with MORE information then when it was just a question or it's not answer, it's just the same question again.

 

[steenkh]

Note: The causality procedure is completely correct. And we accept that. But we say that the chain of causality eventually reaches a being that is the full and original cause. And he is God.

Whenever you say this, we say “special pleading”. I think you do not know what we mean by this. It actually means that you claim there is a rule called “causality” and then you claim that the rule is broken by something called “God”. That is special pleading.

We say, if causality can be broken by God, why can’t we skip a level and say that if causality is to be broken, then it can be broken by the universe itself? Then we need no extra complication in the form of a God.

It is not even very fanciful to say that the universe can create itself. Many physicists have worked with this concept, and it is known that at the quantum scale matter is actually created randomly through random fluctuations (look up “virtual particles”).

It is not very difficult to understand this logically and correctly.

Well, you didn’t understand this logically or correctly, so it is not as easy as you think. You will need to know more about logic before you claim such things. For instance, you need to understand what special pleading is, and you should be more careful in your argumentation when special pleading is involved.

And obviously wisdom. And accepted.

It is neither.

 

[steenkh]

What is dark matter?

A force

No, it is matter.