Merged The Roy Moore Batcrap Crazy Remark Thread/Roy Moore Is Done

[LTC8K6]

So the fact that he's not a rapist means none of the allegations could be true? You could just as well argue that if the accusations were all lies, the women would have alleged much worse behavior.

I haven't said that the allegations aren't true...

I said that right now, I can't give them too much credibility and that maybe more women will come forward.

 

[Arcade22]

It also seems odd that he went no further than her underwear if he was a sexual predator.

She says that Moore drove her back to the same house after dark, and that before long she was lying on a blanket on the floor. She remembers Moore disappearing into another room and coming out with nothing on but “tight white” underwear.

She remembers that Moore kissed her, that he took off her pants and shirt, and that he touched her through her bra and underpants. She says that he guided her hand to his underwear and that she yanked her hand back.

“I wasn’t ready for that — I had never put my hand on a man’s penis, much less an erect one,” Corfman says.

She remembers thinking, “I don’t want to do this” and “I need to get out of here.” She says that she got dressed and asked Moore to take her home, and that he did.

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She says that after their last encounter, Moore called again, but that she found an excuse to avoid seeing him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html

 

[Bob001]

Really? From what i can tell he wasn't married when he was hitting on any of the individuals in the post story. He married a 24 year old when he was 38 and the allegations occurred when he was in his "early 30's".
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Looks like you're right. Events happened in 1979, married in 1985. I guess it's all okay. (And his wife sounds like a prize, too.)
http://heavy.com/news/2017/09/roy-moore-wife-kayla-alabama-age-kids-family/

 

[Bob001]

I haven't said that the allegations aren't true...

I said that right now, I can't give them too much credibility and that maybe more women will come forward.

Four have. How many do you need?

Aside from Corfman, three other women interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks say Moore pursued them when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s, episodes they say they found flattering at the time, but troubling as they got older. None of the three women say that Moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact.

 

[LTC8K6]

Four have. How many do you need?

The other three aren't the same at all, imo.

If it were just those three, it would be nothing to me...

 

[TheL8Elvis]

What do you base that on?

Same question as Bob.

It's just my opinion.

Based on what , though ?

Does the same logic of time elapsed apply to Harvey Weinstein ? Bill Cosby ?

It also seems odd that he went no further than her underwear if he was a sexual predator.

Yeah, odd thing to lie about, right ?

 

[LTC8K6]

Cosby and Weinstein have what appears to be long strings of accusations that extend to much more recent times and go much further than the Moore allegations.

Cosby has been tried, and presumably Weinstein will be.

 

[Bob001]

The other three aren't the same at all, imo.

If it were just those three, it would be nothing to me...

He had an established pattern of chasing teen-age girls when he was a 30-something assistant district attorney, and sometimes it went farther than others. All on the same continuum.

 

[The Don]

"Why don't more victims come forward?"

Of course if more women do come forward, they're just jumping on the bandwagon with unsubstantiated "me too!" stories. It seems that you need exactly the right number of alleged victims.

Too few and it's ridiculous that so voracious a predator could have had so few victims, too many and it's ridiculous that he could have escaped detection for so long .

The allegations about Jimmy Saville didn't become public until after his death. Those about Rolf Harris until he was in his 80's. I don't think it's at all unreasonable that it could take 40 years until someone had the nerve to come forward.

 

[LTC8K6]

He had an established pattern of chasing teen-age girls when he was a 30-something assistant district attorney, and sometimes it went farther than others. All on the same continuum.

Okay.

Why would that behavior stop?

Why did this talk amongst teenage girls not reach a lot more people at the time? that sort of thing has a way of spreading like a wildfire.

It seems like the sort of info a political rival would love to have and use to stop Moore from running for office or to get him removed?

 

[pgwenthold]

The other three aren't the same at all, imo.

If it were just those three, it would be nothing to me...

"Not the same at all"? What, because they were 2 or 3 years older than she was?

The MO is the same, the stories are the same, but because there is a 2 year difference in ages they "aren't the same at all?" That's silly.

 

[LTC8K6]

"Not the same at all"? What, because they were 2 or 3 years older than she was?

The MO is the same, the stories are the same, but because there is a 2 year difference in ages they "aren't the same at all?" That's silly.

"None of the three women say that Moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact. "

The three were at or above the age of consent at the time, as well.

 

[crescent]

Why did this talk amongst teenage girls not reach a lot more people at the time? that sort of thing has a way of spreading like a wildfire.

You could ask the same thing about the accusations against Saville, Rolf, Cosby, Hastert, Sandusky, Spacey and a million others. It is common for these things to not come out until decades after the fact.

As for the lack of repetition, his inner circle of supporters seems to think that it is normal to court 14 year old girls. If he stopped, it may just have been because he got married.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Based on what , though ?
Does the same logic of time elapsed apply to Harvey Weinstein ? Bill Cosby ?

Yeah, odd thing to lie about, right ?

Cosby and Weinstein have what appears to be long strings of accusations that extend to much more recent times and go much further than the Moore allegations.

Cosby has been tried, and presumably Weinstein will be.

I'm sorry you decided to focus on my poor examples, rather than actually discussing your reasoning.

Many other better examples are listed right above.

I've hilited the questions that appear to be more relevant to the discussion.

Additional;y, it would be nice if you can you expand on your reasoning ? For example, why would they all lie ? And why now ? Do you believe that the people they claim to have told about this decades ago, who corroborate their stories, are also lying ?

 

[BStrong]

Moore sounds like a member of the Jimmy Swaggert/Jim Baker school of Hypocritical Horndog Holy Rollers.

 

[Madalch]

Yep, those liberals like Governor Mark Sanford, Senator John Ensign, Representative Vito Fosarella, Newt Gingrich, Senator Larry Craig, and a few others...http://www.newnownext.com/19-republican-politicians-brought-down-by-big-gay-sex-scandals/12/2016/

Hmmmmmm.....

But Conservapedia assured me they were all Democrats!

 

[jimbob]

Looks like you're right. Events happened in 1979, married in 1985. I guess it's all okay. (And his wife sounds like a prize, too.)
http://heavy.com/news/2017/09/roy-moore-wife-kayla-alabama-age-kids-family/

Four have. How many do you need?

From your first link linking to a tweet about the WaPo Story

Washington Post with on-the-record child molestation accusation against Roy Moore, support by three additional account of inappropriate conduct with minors and 30 other sources.

30 other sources is quite a lot more

 

[Arcade22]

He had an established pattern of chasing teen-age girls when he was a 30-something assistant district attorney, and sometimes it went farther than others. All on the same continuum.

“Wendy Miller says she was 14 and working as a Santa’s helper at the Gadsden Mall when Moore first approached her, and 16 when he asked her on dates, which her mother forbade.
“Debbie Wesson Gibson says she was 17 when Moore spoke to her high school civics class and asked her out on the first of several dates that did not progress beyond kissing.
“Gloria Thacker Deason says she was an 18-year-old cheerleader when Moore began taking her on dates that included bottles of Mateus Rosé wine. The legal drinking age in Alabama was 19.”

I don't see how him "chasing after teenage girls" like this is evidence of anything other than he can behave responsibly.

I mean he asked the mother of one for permission to date her daughter. Seriously who does that? If they are old enough to have sex then they are old enough to choose who they want to date on their own.

 

[zorro99]

Roy Moore is a pervert.

 

[eeyore1954]

Given Moore's political history, it's not credible that this did not come up long ago, imo.

Also, such behavior tends to be compulsive, so it seems unlikely that more recent incidents have not come to light.

Maybe they will...

But right now, I can't give this too much credibility.

Surprising maybe but the number of accusations of sexual assault in the movie industry many which are not being denied show that for whatever reason people do keep these things secret.