Merged The Roy Moore Batcrap Crazy Remark Thread/Roy Moore Is Done

The Don said:
Yes, and ?
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I've seen people focusing on the victims age and the fact that it was a crime. This can easily give the impression that his behaviour would've been acceptable only if she were older or if it wasn't a crime. I mean someone was criticised for defending a 32 year old of having consensual sex with a 16 year old, with consensual being in scare quotes. There's no need to turn this into a condemnation of any relationship between adult men and teenagers of either sex, as some seem intent on doing.

As far as I'm concerned his actions were bad enough on their own and whether she was 14, 16, 18, or even 22 years old is pretty much besides the point.
 
Arcade22 said:
I've seen people focusing on the victims age and the fact that it was a crime. This can easily give the impression that his behaviour would've been acceptable only if she were older or if it wasn't a crime. I mean someone was criticised for defending a 32 year old of having consensual sex with a 16 year old, with consensual being in scare quotes. There's no need to turn this into a condemnation of any relationship between adult men and teenagers of either sex, as some seem intent on doing.

As far as I'm concerned his actions were bad enough on their own and whether she was 14, 16, 18, or even 22 years old is pretty much besides the point.
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I agree with the sentiments you express, but at best it doesn't seem to be an issue for the GOP.
 
The Don said:
I agree with the sentiments you express, but at best it doesn't seem to be an issue for the GOP.
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Doesn't seem to be an issue with the loudest Breitbart/Bannon branch of the GOP. I wonder how many Republicans were watching the days events with a sick stomach wondering how their party had become so sick. I then wonder if they will switch parties, switch votes or just not vote on election day.
 
The Don said:
I agree with the sentiments you express, but at best it doesn't seem to be an issue for the GOP.
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Well at least many politically active Republicans have all but stated that they would vote for him no matter what he did.

The national Republican establishment has called for him to step down if the allegations are true but it's not like he's going to court over this since the stature of limiations has already passed. Maybe if he did something similar more recently he'd be in trouble.
 
In a statement provided exclusively at the time of publication to Breitbart, the Moore campaign calls the reporting "garbage" and "the very definition of fake news and intentional defamation." It calls the reporting "desperate political attack by the National Democrat Party and the Washington Post on this campaign."

During an MSNBC appearance on Thursday, Breitbart editor Joel Pollack defended the publication's coverage. He said that while "any story of sexual misconduct especially with someone who is under age is very serious," he questioned why the Post included "all kinds of perfectly legitimate relationships as well as all kinds of other political clutter" in the piece.He described Moore's alleged pursuit of relationships with the three other teenagers, who were between 16 and 18, as legitimate."

I think the reason people are questioning not only the motivations, but the accuracy of The Washington Post piece is because they packaged it with all sorts of other stuff that has nothing to do with the question. And so, we'll have to see where this goes," he said.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/09/roy-moore-breitbart-washington-post-244755

Well i can see why they include information about his sexual advances toward other legal teenagers because it's evidence that it was a consistent pattern. However since nothing about those dates seemed to be abusive or otherwise problematic i find it plausible that used the taboo surrounding age differences in relationships to, implicitly, paint him as a pervert.

They could simply have mentioned that briefly while stressing that they didn't feel pressured or anything.
 
Given Moore's political history, it's not credible that this did not come up long ago, imo.

Also, such behavior tends to be compulsive, so it seems unlikely that more recent incidents have not come to light.

Maybe they will...

But right now, I can't give this too much credibility.
 
The Don said:
...and these days I'm not sure whether the latter would necessarily be a problem any more and sadly not because the GOP has become more inclusive and accepting of homosexuality.
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Not in Alabama. Most of the evangelical outrage he'll experience is due to the fact the he tried to have premarital sex not that they were minors. It's worth noting:


The whole thread is worth a read.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Given Moore's political history, it's not credible that this did not come up long ago, imo.

Also, such behavior tends to be compulsive, so it seems unlikely that more recent incidents have not come to light.

Maybe they will...

But right now, I can't give this too much credibility.
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BobTheCoward said:
What do you base that on?
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Same question as Bob.

And more to the point, LTC8K6: How much time does a victim of sexual assault/harassment have to come forward before their accusation is no longer credible?
 
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Stacko said:
Roy Moore is a symptom of a larger problem in conservative fundamentalist and evangelical circles. It's not a southern problem, it's a fundamentalist problem. Girls who are 14 are seen as potential relationship material. Duck Dynasty guy advocated adult men marrying 16 year olds
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There's a Swedish term for middle aged men and beyond that are often desperate for noticeably younger women (or men): gubbsjuka which a literal translation would be something like "old man's sickness". Then again such men, at least in Sweden, aren't really interested in marriage as much as a casual sexual relationship.
 
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johnny karate said:
Same question as Bob.

And more to the point, LTC8K6: How much time does a victim of sexual assault/harassment have to come forward before their accusation is no longer credible?
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Depends on the alleged perpetrator. If it's a politician from the party I support or a public figure that I admire then unless the accusation is made within 24 hours with reams of corroborating evidence and unless the accused fesses up immediately.

OTOH it's a politician from the other party or a public figure I dislike then there is no story too old or too ridiculous to be taken at face value.

......at least that's how the GOP seems to operate :mad:
 
Arcade22 said:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/09/roy-moore-breitbart-washington-post-244755

Well i can see why they include information about his sexual advances toward other legal teenagers because it's evidence that it was a consistent pattern. However since nothing about those dates seemed to be abusive or otherwise problematic i find it plausible that used the taboo surrounding age differences in relationships to, implicitly, paint him as a pervert.
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What? It's not just a question of whether a crime was committed. It also reveals a lot about the integrity and morality of someone who publicly, loudly claims to be a paragon of integrity and morality. After all, the guy was a married father when he was hitting on teenagers.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Given Moore's political history, it's not credible that this did not come up long ago, imo.

Also, such behavior tends to be compulsive, so it seems unlikely that more recent incidents have not come to light.

Maybe they will...

But right now, I can't give this too much credibility.
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Read the Post story, with numerous sources and references to public records, and get back to us. It shouldn't need to be explained to you why women don't announce being abused by a powerful man. In this case, these women didn't call a press conference; Post reporters heard the rumors and followed the trail.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...p-table-main_moore-desktop-1pm:homepage/story
 
"Why don't more victims come forward?"

State Rep. Ed Henry lashed out at Roy Moore’s accusers and Republicans who said the U.S. Senate candidate should back out of the special election in an interview Thursday evening with The Times.

Henry, R-Hartselle, who represents a portion of Cullman County, said he suspects the timing of the stories told by five women about Moore’s alleged sexual advancements 40 years ago, as told to The Washington Post, are politically motivated as the Dec. 12 special election nears. Moore will face Democrat Doug Jones, a former U.S. attorney.

“The idea that accusations like this would stop his campaign is ludicrous. If this was a habit, like you’ve read with Bill Cosby and millions of dollars paid to settle cases and years of witnesses, that would be one thing,” Henry said. “You cannot tell me there hasn’t been an opportunity through the years to make these accusations with as many times as he’s (Moore) run (for office) and been in the news.

Henry said he believes legal action should be considered against Moore’s accusers, finding their story unbelievable.

“If they believe this man is predatory, they are guilty of allowing him to exist for 40 years. I think someone should prosecute and go after them. You can’t be a victim 40 years later, in my opinion,” Henry said.
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Bob001 said:
What? It's not just a question of whether a crime was committed. It also reveals a lot about the integrity and morality of someone who publicly, loudly claims to be a paragon of integrity and morality. After all, the guy was a married father when he was hitting on teenagers.
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Really? From what i can tell he wasn't married when he was hitting on any of the individuals in the post story. He married a 24 year old when he was 38 and the allegations occurred when he was in his "early 30's".

At least with regards to the youngest of the girls it seems clear he wanted to have sex with her so that would attempted fornication, which is bad. Of course his public persona is probably mostly an act and i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't believe any of the nonsense he says.
 
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LTC8K6 said:
It's just my opinion.

It also seems odd that he went no further than her underwear if he was a sexual predator.
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So the fact that he's not a rapist means none of the allegations could be true? You could just as well argue that if the accusations were all lies, the women would have alleged much worse behavior.
 
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