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"The Principle" - anti-Copernican movie

Mudcat said:
How do these people reconcile the fact that if we lived in a geocentric universe then objects revolving around us further out, just in this galaxy alone, would be going faster than the speed of light?
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That's not necessarily true; the Earth can be the center of the universe and yet still be rotating.

Perhaps a compromise can be made by naming the Earth's solar system to be the center of the universe.
 
Spindrift said:
This day and age?

The day and age of homeopathy, reiki, chiropractic, Long Island mediums, bigfooters, truthers and birthers?

It's almost more surprising that this crap isn't taught in schools.
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Those three and more are taught in the finest medical schools in the US.
 
Mudcat said:
At least half of those things it's understandable why people would believe in them, geocentrism is so wrong it's hard to know where to even start with it. It's been disproven centuries ago by a man with a telescope that would be considered dinky by today's standards and it's so easy to disprove that even a complete layman could do it.

It quite literally has nothing to go for it.



Creationism has a better chance of being taught in school.
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Then let the bible rule:


Respectful Insolence
Quackademic medicine in Connecticut
Posted by Orac on October 14, 2014
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A common topic that I’ve written about since the very beginning of this blog is the infiltration of quackery into what were formerly bastions of science-based medicine. Most recently, I lamented just how far this process has progressed at the Cleveland Clinic, as evidenced by its recent opening of a clinic devoted to the quackery that is functional medicine and, not long before that, its opening a clinic run by a dubious naturopath practicing traditional Chinese medicine. That’s not even counting its long-standing credulous promotion of the faith healing known as reiki and the use of acupuncture on children.

Unfortunately, the Cleveland Clinic is far from the only bastion of what I like to call quackademic medicine. Far from it. I was reminded of this when I saw a story yesterday pop up in my Google Alerts on alternative medicine. It’s entitled Alternative medicine gains steam in Connecticut, an article that’s also on the Connecticut NPR website. Where in Connecticut is it gaining steam? Yale University, that’s where. Well, there and the University of Connecticut. Of course, Yale is the home of David Katz, whom we’ve met several times before, such as when he advocated a “more fluid concept of evidence” and claimed that it is necessary to embrace quackery in order not to “abandon patients.” If this article is any indication, it’s only getting worse there.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/10/14/quackademic-medicine-in-connecticut/
 
tsig said:
Those three and more are taught in the finest medical schools in the US.
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True, but I was referring to K-12. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the USA they were being taught there as well.
 
BowlOfRed said:
Not true. In GR, there is no preferred frame. We can pick the frame in which the earth is at rest and see the physics works just as well as a frame in which the sun or the center of the galaxy is at rest.

There are several previous threads that touch on this. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172265
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If the Earth is the centre of the universe and everything revolves around it then then you only have to out to the nearest star to prove that what mudcat says is correct.

Proxima Centauri is 4.2 light years away, and would be orbiting us. Assuming for argument's sake a circular orbit, the semi axis (α) of that orbit is 4.2 light years. The circumference of the orbit is given by πx2α

3.142 x 4.2 x 2 = 26.4

This means that Proxima Centauri would travel 26.4 light-years around its orbit in 12 months to complete one orbit; ergo it would be traveling at 26.4 times c, the speed of light. This is clearly a physical impossibility.
 
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Checkmite said:
That's not necessarily true; the Earth can be the center of the universe and yet still be rotating.

Perhaps a compromise can be made by naming the Earth's solar system to be the center of the universe.
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As I understand it, the current model of the universe has everything placed almost in a spherical manner as if on the surface of a globe. If you accept that as true then the argument could be made that the earth really is the center of the universe even as it revolves around sol, but so is every other stellar body in the universe.

Somehow, though, I don't think this is what geocentric proponents are proposing.
 
At the film's blog page, you can read about 100 paragraphs explaining that the Copernican Model isn't geo-centrism. But it's tough to understand why.
 
Aside from the sad fact Captain Janeway is narrating this nonsense I don't get what the big deal is about.

The Universe is a three dimensional "construct curved in a 4th dimension. The result being if you flew in a straight line from the earth you would eventually end up back on earth. (This would take a vast number of years.)

To make the comparison more direct. Imagine dots evenly spaced on a sphere. In two dimensional terms each dot is at the "centre" of the two dimensional Universe that curves in a third dimension that we can perceive. In a similar way in our three dimensional Universe every point in it would be the centre of our Universe in three dimensional terms. Of course this would not be true in four dimensional terms of reference.

So the statement the earth is at the "centre" of our Universe, (In three dimensional terms.) is a mere truism but then so is every other location of our Universe!
 
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Pacal said:
The Universe is a three dimensional "construct curved in a 4th dimension. The result being if you flew in a straight line from the earth you would eventually end up back on earth. (This would take a vast number of years.)
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Nice theory. Do they have any evidence to back it up?
 
Pacal said:
Aside from the sad fact Captain Janeway is narrating this nonsense I don't get what the big deal is about.

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So the statement the earth is at the "centre" of our Universe, (In three dimensional terms.) is a mere truism but then so is every other location of our Universe!
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The big deal is that geocentrists aren't arguing this. They are arguing that the current model of the universe is wrong and that the far more ancient model, that of the earth is at the center of everything and the entire universe is revolving around it, is right.

Here is the YouTube channel of the people in question that made the pseudo-documentary in the original post. At least, I'm sure it's the same people.
 
The Center of the Universe used to be at my desk. I had a sign to that effect. When I had to move to a different building my e-mail sig apologized for the resultant slight wobble.

Back on topic, The Principle's first run, in a single theater, has ended after just a week. It had made a whopping $8600 or so as of last Sunday. No sign of any openings anywhere else.

At another forum I frequent, we have a crypto-creationist poster who's obsessed with the film. And another (me) obsessed with rebutting him.
 
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