"The Principle" - anti-Copernican movie

[lpetrich]

For the record, the vast majority of Catholic Publicataions are ridiculing this film and pointing out that Sungenis opinions represent nobody but his own.

Links, please?

Even a lot of the Traditionalist Catholics are diassociating themselves from Sungenis and his opinions.

Like...

It must be noted that there is a bit of traditionalist-Catholic kookiness that Robert Sungenis does not endorse.

Sedevacantism.

From sede vacante (Latin: "with the seat empty" (ablative case)) when there is no longer a Pope, no one for his seat.

It's the belief that the most recent popes are not legitimate ones, though its advocates don't agree on who was the last legitimate pope.

I've found some online video of a debate that RS once had with a sedevacantist.

 

[lpetrich]

The Producer of The Principle, the Documentary Promoting Geocentrism, Finally Answered My Questions

Hemant Mehta gave his questions in full, and also producer Rick DeLano's answers in full.

In, “The Principle,” many different viewpoints have contributed to this dialogue.

I am not a scientist, however, this is not an issue because there is no need to be a scientist to produce a film about a question involving science.

(HM question) If you really want to challenge the Copernican Principle, why not write a scientific paper?

Because of the latest findings in cosmology, some scientists have at least considered the idea that the earth may be in a favored or special place in the universe. ...

And keep in mind that represented in the film are wide ranging and varied viewpoints concerning the Copernican Principle.

So he was Just Asking Questions?

Hemant Mehta concludes:

Much of what DeLano says about the voluntary participation of different scientists is in stark contrast to what they themselves have said. Krauss said that if he filmed anything for this film, it was under “false pretenses.” ...

DeLano managed to scoop up a couple of folks on the fringe of this issue and is now passing their views off as if they’re mainstream.

 

[The Man]

The Principle is now playing at a theater in Chicago, but it may soon be playing elsewhere also.

Executive Producer Robert Sungenis:

(Galileo Was Wrong: The Principle at "Galileo Was Wrong, The Church was Right", which advocates geocentrism)

Peter Woit speculated about the film some months back in The Principle | Not Even Wrong:

I’d wonder with the earth being somewhat spherically shaped, what direction wouldn’t align with it in one way or another?

If one combines The Principle with The Secret (perhaps as a drive in double feature) do you end up with the church was just right because they were positive thinkers (they were positive they were right).

 

[The Man]

It's been the Scientific consensus that Spacetime in our Universe is curved 4th dimensionally, ever since Einstein's theory of relativity, which has been validated numerous times by experimentation.

See this on curved space http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_relativity_curved.html

By all means prove that spacetime is not curved 4th dimensionally and win a Nobel prize for physics.

Pacal,

You are thinking of an extrinsic curvature, 3 dimensions curved in a fourth dimensional space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvature


The curvature of general relativity is intrinsic (doesn’t require a dimension(s) that the others are curved in)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvature_of_Riemannian_manifolds

 

[HarryHenderson]

From the Wiki entry on the Copernican principle, respected/published/intelligent astrophysicist Michael Rowan-Robinson says: "It is evident that in the post-Copernican era of human history, no well-informed and rational person can imagine that Earth occupies a unique position in the universe."

Would he also say "And anyone who does imagine that can only be disturbed, delusional or both."?

 

[halleyscomet]

I have to wonder why they're bothering with this stunted, halting theatrical trickle. Why not sell it online? Do they have some religious objection to iTunes and the Google Play store?

 

[lpetrich]

I have to wonder why they're bothering with this stunted, halting theatrical trickle. Why not sell it online? Do they have some religious objection to iTunes and the Google Play store?

They may have exhausted their production budget on special effects.

Also, this is not a very typical sort of movie, and theater managers may need some convincing before they will show it.

 

[Trebuchet]

The Sungenis fan on my other forum is saying that new theatrical engagements, two in California and one in Washington, will be happening in January, and that it's announced on Rick DeLano's facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/rick.delano1?fref=ts

I'm not seeing it there, but it may well be because I don't have a Facebook account. Can someone who does see if you can find anything there?

 

[Lucian]

The Sungenis fan on my other forum is saying that new theatrical engagements, two in California and one in Washington, will be happening in January, and that it's announced on Rick DeLano's facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/rick.delano1?fref=ts

I'm not seeing it there, but it may well be because I don't have a Facebook account. Can someone who does see if you can find anything there?

Here it is:

Just got confirmation from Rocky Mountain Pictures.
"The Principle" will open an exclusive engagement at:
AMC Burbank
AMC Orange
AMC Spokane
Friday January 23, 2015.
To all of you who contacted me, thank you, and I will be emailing you details.
To all of you who haven't yet, PLEASE MESSAGE ME!
This opening weekend will be epic!

 

[Trebuchet]

Thanks! And thank FSM it's in Spokane, not in my part of Washington. Otherwise I might feel an obligation to go watch it and report back.

 

[Jodie]

I don't think it means everything is revolving around earth, at least I didn't get that from these promo clips. Physics is a weak spot for me. What are they basing this on? Some measurement where earth is the starting point? Kind of like all roads lead to Rome?

 

[The Man]

I don't think it means everything is revolving around earth, at least I didn't get that from these promo clips. Physics is a weak spot for me. What are they basing this on? Some measurement where earth is the starting point? Kind of like all roads lead to Rome?

Probably has something to do with CMB distribution.

http://io9.com/5867033/why-is-the-universe-pointing-in-one-direction

Heck, even if the universe does have some directional features (like a tube as asserted in the article), that's a long way from going all non-Copernican on ourselves and thinking it is winking at us.

 

[Trebuchet]

I don't think it means everything is revolving around earth, at least I didn't get that from these promo clips. Physics is a weak spot for me. What are they basing this on? Some measurement where earth is the starting point? Kind of like all roads lead to Rome?

The film's (hidden) premise is based entirely on Robert Sungenis's personal interpretation of the Bible. An interpretation that his own (Roman Catholic) church dropped many years ago. The physics are just being twisted to support his viewpoint. He's sly enough not to come right out and say the film is about geocentrism, but if you do even a minimal amount of searching you'll find that's what he believes. For instance, here:
http://galileowaswrong.blogspot.com/
where the film is promoted.

Note also that recent publicity around the film is coming from co-producer Rick DeLano, who is equally deluded as Sungenis but less notorious for anti-Semitism, holocaust denial, moon hoax belief, etc. That's just a coverup, IMHO.

 

[Jodie]

This is really unscientific of me but nature loves a spiral. Wouldn't that easily explain the photograph of the tilt if the universe was a twisted up helix? Now how you would come to the conclusion that we were dead center of the universe is beyond me.

Of course, I guess the guy who is promoting this wouldn't see the irony that he is proposing a principle of Hermeticism straight from The Emerald Tablet, "'That which is above is the same as that which is below'...

 

[The Man]

Interesting, so if we combine "nature loves a spiral" with 'nature abhors a vacuum' that must give nature all kinds of conflicting feelings about these...


https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=vortex vacuum cleaner


Perhaps nature just don't give a flying handshake either way?

 

[Jodie]

I think Dyson Vacuum's suck. Only a man would invent a bagless system where all the dust goes straight up your nostrils when you pull the canister out to empty it.

Anyway, I don't understand why it would mean we are special if we were in the center of the universe.

 

[Rincewind]

I think Dyson Vacuum's suck. Only a man would invent a bagless system where all the dust goes straight up your nostrils when you pull the canister out to empty it.

Anyway, I don't understand why it would mean we are special if we were in the center of the universe.

Isn't the centre of the universe a super-massive black hole?

Now that's special - but not in a nice way...

 

[Blue Mountain]

Isn't the centre of the universe a super-massive black hole?

No. Rob Ford's no longer the mayor.

 

[Trebuchet]

I think Dyson Vacuum's suck.

You did that on purpose, didn't you?

 

[The Man]

I expect, no more than "Only a man...", and a good retort.

Though still, as stated by both of us, aligned in direction or centered (as most everything seems to be) don't make us special.