So we have someone hopped up on peyote claiming to have seen old gods and you believe his conclusion. Why are you calling this a demon and not a Native American Spirit? How did you decide that this was a demon?
He never claimed anything. In fact he was so unnerved by the experience that, as far as I know, he never told anyone about it. I know what happened because I was standing about three feet away from him and slightly behind him. This particular Native American who this spirit took the identity of had become bad before he died. My avatar is a picture of the man who is a legend. Where we were was right at where he had lived, long ago. He has appeared to others so when this happened, I assumed it was this same spirit. What happened to my friend was very similar to how this great chief had met his demise.
These are known as hallucinations.
If that is your professional opinion, then thanks. I never brought it up with my doctors. I was awake and there was a big clock on the wall, right opposite of me. I thought I was gone for over a month and when I came back, the clock was in the same place.( no real time had elapsed) Everything seemed normal, right up until these demons suddenly appeared. I felt perfectly normal when I came back. Is that consistent with an ordinary hallucination? I am not being argumentative, I would like your opinion on it because I do not know.
How and why did you conclude this?
It was not one thing. It is something learned from experiences and reading the Bible and conversations with other people.
You can wonder all you want. Believing in something without evidence is a different thing entirely.
Sorry but this doesn't mean a thing to me or anyone here.
I know. But just thinking about this stuff weirds me out. I was stuck in this one spot and people would come to where I was, like it was something everyone had to do. I was given some paints and brushes and I made a painting of Jesus and people would look at it like it was really Jesus somehow. Very odd. Somehow I connect the two different things, as if the demons did not like what I was doing and wished they could stop me. That is not what I thought at the time but when I look back at it I have to wonder.
Like I said, these "experiences" may have some meaning to you. I'll even agree that you experienced it. But you have never answered the simple questions.how do you KNOW it was real? Could it be a hallucination? delusion? dream?Why should anyone believe YOUR conclusion? How did you arrive at such a conclusion? Why should anyone believe YOUR unverified claims that goes against all that is known about reality?
The fire story I have no doubts about and other people have witnessed similar events related to peyote. (I found out later) It is definitely not something to mess with. The hospital story is hard to figure. It correlates well with a near death experience. I was almost dead earlier than when this happened, to where I was practically in a coma for about ten days. At this particular time I thought I was out of danger but the treatment they were giving me, my doctors later told me, could have easily killed me.(in a very sudden sort of way) So I don't know.
Kathy has some sort of experience about hell. I have not found the actual story yet. It was upsetting to me at the time that my little visit happened but It was not like a wakeup call or a big revelation to me because it may have been pretty close to what I might have expected it to be like. It ended with a big stone dropping from a high wall above me and it was clear I was about to be squished. I prayed to God, and then I was all of a sudden back where I was, like nothing had happened. (I do not believe in the eternal torment in flames theory of hell, but a more humane version)
Lately I have put a couple of observations from my "vision" to use in theological discussions, like the chronology of certain events, but have only otherwise used it as an illustration of how I know demons are real. Not for persuading skeptics, but for people who have strange experiences and wonder if they are insane or are there demons.
Not everyone can get any benefit from all this, and maybe almost no one, but even if this is not actual proof, I wanted to weigh in on the believer side, but not based on only what I have been told by someone else, but from personal experience.
