The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

Marduk said:
so you're unaware that Petra is so unknown that it featured as the hiding place of the Holy grail in "Indiana jones and the last crusade" more than 2 decades ago

Seen that movie Edge ?
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What I read about it somewhere was that they, (the Bedouin), hid its location for 1500 years.

I seen the movie but it was the farthest thing from my mind.
That was many years ago and it didn't even occur to me.
 
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Petra was visited by Victorian explorers and was known from writings from classical antiquity. No one keep it secret. In fact during the middle ages it was visited by tourists. The site seems to have been abandoned after the trade routes that were the reason for the city shifted. It appears that after the Romans took over the Nabeatean kingdom c. 106 C.E., whose capital was Petra, probably in order to get control over the spice trade from Yemen that was the source of Petra and the Naeatean kingdom's wealth, the trade shifted to others and that part of Arabia went into decline. Petra's water management system was badly damaged by an earthquake c. 363 C.E. (A.D.). And probably completely abandoned shortly afterwords.
 
edge said:
My opinion is that we were more advanced in the deep past than our known history books tell us, before a major calamity hit the earth and it was Lost.
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If I may request clarification. Do you mean humans, at some point more than 5000 years ago, were more technologically advanced than 21st century Western civilization? Or are you referring to being more ethically advanced or spiritually advanced? Or something else?
 
edge said:
Plus his messengers are also alien to us.
Another interesting site, Petra.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petra
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Been there several times, nothing particularly mysterious about it, kewl thou

My opinion is that we were more advanced in the deep past than our known history books tell us, before a major calamity hit the earth and it was Lost.
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This is a common fringe 'motif' amongst the pseudo-[insert intellectual study]; I've found it is never very well thought out or evidenced, it is something to say to attempt to appear 'deep'.

However Edge I will ask, why do you have that opinion?
 
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Mashuna said:
I didn't find a gift shop, but I'm sure they were on offer there.
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The gift shop is just past the hallway with the rotating blades, to the left of the collapsing floor. Probably just as well you didn't find it though, 'cos if you choose the wrong grail all your flesh melts off.
 
Akhenaten said:
The gift shop is just past the hallway with the rotating blades, to the left of the collapsing floor. Probably just as well you didn't find it though, 'cos if you choose the wrong grail all your flesh melts off.
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Not to mention the hidden anal probing room. Do you think that something went wrong with the alien's toilet training?
 
edge said:
What I read about it somewhere was that they, (the Bedouin), hid its location for 1500 years.
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Except that the grail is complete fabrication, spun by the Catholics. It didn't even 'exist' until the 12th Century.
 
Mudcat said:
Except that the grail is complete fabrication, spun by the Catholics. It didn't even 'exist' until the 12th Century.
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By Catholics collectively do you actually mean one man - a French poet Robert de Boron?
 
MG1962 said:
By Catholics collectively do you actually mean one man - a French poet Robert de Boron?
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One man created it. One group latched onto the idea. And what complete rubbish it was.
 
Mudcat said:
One man created it. One group latched onto the idea. And what complete rubbish it was.
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Given everyone likely to read the poem or subsequent Arthurian tales was Catholic, doesn't leave too many people around 'not' to latch onto it.
 
MG1962 said:
Given everyone likely to read the poem or subsequent Arthurian tales was Catholic, doesn't leave too many people around 'not' to latch onto it.
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Indeed, still doesn't change the facts that the grail doesn't exist outside of fiction though.
 
Akhenaten said:
The gift shop is just past the hallway with the rotating blades, to the left of the collapsing floor. Probably just as well you didn't find it though, 'cos if you choose the wrong grail all your flesh melts off.
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What kind of bait and switch is this? The brochure says the fat melts away!
 
edge said:
The Ancient Alien theorists will say that the angels and god are what the aliens were described as, because they didn't have a name that was as modern as what we have today and no other way of comparing what they witnessed.
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so the Mesopotamian word for alien which is over 4500 years old wasn't good enough ? http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e5883.html

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edge said:
This episode can cover more ground than I can quickly.

Ancient Aliens season 2 episode 8:
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Come on Edge, you wouldn't buy a used cat from Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, why do you believe anything he says. All he wants is your money, and guess what, he's proving you gullible enough to get it for him.
Did you know for instance that Giorgio A. Tsoukalos was the Director of Erich von Daniken's Center for Ancient Astronaut Research
heres wiki on Daniken in case you've forgotten
Several scientists, such as Carl Sagan and I. S. Shklovskii, have written about Däniken's paleocontact and extraterrestrial visitation claims. Although Sagan did not rule out the possibility of visitation, he insisted that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", which Däniken fails to provide.[7]

Däniken claimed that a non-rusting iron pillar in India was evidence of extraterrestrial influence.[8] Later, Däniken admitted in a Playboy interview that the pillar was rusty and man-made, and that as far as supporting his hypotheses goes "we can forget about this iron thing."[9]

Some also question von Däniken's credibility, as he has also knowingly put forward fraudulent evidence to advance his hypotheses, such as photographs of pottery "depicting UFOs", supposedly from an archaeological dig dating back to the biblical era. The PBS television series Nova determined that this was a fraud, and even located the potter who made them. When confronted with this evidence, von Däniken argued that the deception was justified because some people would only believe his ideas if they saw actual proof.[10]

In The Gold of the Gods von Däniken claimed to have been guided through artificial tunnels in a cave under Ecuador, Cueva de los Tayos, containing gold, strange statues and a library with metal tablets, which he wrote was evidence of ancient space visitors. The man who he claimed showed him these tunnels, Juan Moricz, told Der Spiegel that all of von Däniken's descriptions came from a long conversation and that the photos in the book had been "fiddled". Von Däniken eventually told Playboy that although he had seen the library and other places he had described, he had also fabricated some of the events to add interest to his book.[11]

Some have accused Däniken of European ethnocentrism,[12] and suggested that views such as his "constitute the ultimate in racism".[13]

Ronald Story published The Space Gods Revealed in 1976, providing an almost page-by-page refutation of the hypotheses and evidence in Däniken's Chariots of the Gods?.

A 2004 article in Skeptic Magazine[14] states that Däniken plagiarized many of the book's concepts from The Morning of the Magicians, that this book in turn was heavily influenced by the Cthulhu Mythos, and that the core of the ancient astronaut theory originates in H. P. Lovecraft's short stories "The Call of Cthulhu" written in 1926, and "At the Mountains of Madness" written in 1931.
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fiction based on fiction and lies and fabricated evidence, don't you ever wonder why the proponents of the ancient astronaut theory are not qualified historians, but journos and economists ?
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