The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

edge said:
Heck the atheists claim that ignorant Christians are taught this from the bible so flat earthers have been around for many centuries according to you all.

There are passages in the Bible that coincide with scientific principles that weren't discovered by scientists until hundreds of years after the Bible had been written.
Source: http://www.bible.ca/b-science-evidences.htm

1. The Bible said the earth is round and is suspended in space:


The Bible revealed that the earth is round. Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, Amos 9:6...
The people of the fifteenth century who feared sailing because they thought they would fall over the edge of the flat earth. Yet the Bible revealed the truth in 1000 B.C. 2500 years before man discovered it for himself!

In various verses, the Bible says the earth is round and hangs in space. It took a long time for science to catch up and reach the same conclusions. Copernicus made the discovery in 1475. But the Bible always knew. Here are two related Bible verses that were written more than 2500 years ago, and more than 1000 years before Copernicus:

"He sits on throne above the circle of the earth..." (Isaiah 40:22,NIV). (By the way, the Hebrew language at that time did not have a word for "sphere," only for "circle.")
So lets see:


"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7, NIV).

Currents in the oceans known:
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Interesting stuff. Since there was no hebrew word at the time for sphere, I think it is inconclusive. "Circle of the earth" could possibly mean a sphere, but it could also mean a round, flat plain. This verse neither demonstrates or falsifies the claim that the bible contains accurate scientific data before it was known by man.
 

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Ladewig said:
No. No educated person believed that. The ancient Greeks looked a the Earth's shadow on the moon and concluded that the Earth was spherical. Sailors looked at how ships disappear over the horizon and concluded the same thing. In fact Eratosthenes even measured the circumference of the Earth before Jesus was born.
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@caniswalensis
If they were sailing back in biblical times do you think they didn't notice what ladewig said here and put it together, and if their timelines are off how far back did they really know this?
It our conception of what the timeline really is.
As one of my links has stated these guys might have been sea mariner society that built many of these sites
 
how in the world do we get this:
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Get what? A representation of a supernatural creature? Plenty of those throughout the world.
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edge said:
Sure we could.

But how in the world do we get this:
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Human ingenuity, some basic tools, a bit of string, lots of time, and a heartfelt motive.

As a longtime member of a history club whose members do a lot of projects for fun with primative tools and materials, I can readily believe this is in the realm of human capability, even in a stone-age culture.

People can do amazing things when they really want to.

I am ready & even eager to accept the alien hypothesis though. All it would take to convince me is some objective evidence of a higher technology. Speculation about mysterious and amazing ruins of human structures is not enough. for me.
 
Here are schematics for moving stones using ropes, channels, counter-weights and grease: http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_megalith_rossi.htm

Here is a detailed explanation of how ancient peoples moved huge stones: http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/ancients/buildpyramid.html

The most efficient way of using a sledge is for its hardwood runners to slide in greased grooves on a hardwood track laid over sleepers in a very similar way to a modern railway. This is a method used for shifting stone since antiquity. It requires far less energy to move the sledge than if the runners are scraping over rock and sand.​

Here are details from the same website as above, describing how a lifting jack is a simple but effective device for lifting megalithic stones up to 1200 tons using 140 people:. http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/ancients/liftingjack.html

Edge, that you personally cannot understand or imagine how such things might be possible does not constitute evidence of extraterrestrial or divine intervention.
 
Vortigern99 said:
Here are details from the same website as above, describing how a lifting jack is a simple but effective device for lifting megalithic stones up to 1200 tons using 140 people:. http://www.peter-thomson.co.uk/ancients/liftingjack.html
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I watched a doco a while back in which the producers of the show having failed to build a reasonable scaled down pyramid, asked local stone workers how the structures were built. They just laughed got a one tonne block mounted a cradle under it and raised it about 6 feet into the air in some 5 minutes, by simply rocking the cradle and jamming stone wedges during each movement.

The whole time the workers had this goofy smile on their faces as if they'd been waiting a 1000 years for someone to actually ask them how it was all done.

As we continue to discover just how smart our ancestors where, its fun trying decide which particular method they used rather than wondering could they do it at all
 
MG1962 said:
I watched a doco a while back in which the producers of the show having failed to build a reasonable scaled down pyramid, asked local stone workers how the structures were built. They just laughed got a one tonne block mounted a cradle under it and raised it about 6 feet into the air in some 5 minutes, by simply rocking the cradle and jamming stone wedges during each movement.

The whole time the workers had this goofy smile on their faces as if they'd been waiting a 1000 years for someone to actually ask them how it was all done.

As we continue to discover just how smart our ancestors where, its fun trying decide which particular method they used rather than wondering could they do it at all
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It's a real insult to our forefathers that these woos think that they were too thick to work these things out and that aliens had to do it for them.
 
edge said:
@caniswalensis
If they were sailing back in biblical times do you think they didn't notice what ladewig said here and put it together, and if their timelines are off how far back did they really know this?
It our conception of what the timeline really is.
As one of my links has stated these guys might have been sea mariner society that built many of these sites
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How do you imagine that people sailing "back in biblical times" would have any conception at all of what Ladewig said here this week?

This kind of thing is why people keep telling you your posts are incomprehensible.
 
edge said:
Yep I know.
There are many people who deliberately want to be contrary to what is established and established with out a doubt, without evidence.
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Is there a chance you'll stop doing it any time soon?


edge said:
Then there are many who see more from the real evidence which, in many ways can also be established to an extent, as in how did they lift and cut these blocks with exact accuracy for fitting together.
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As long as you remain impervious to being told that sentences like this are meaningless gibberish you'll probably be beyond the reach of everything else that people try to explain to you as well, so what's the point of your being here, edge?


edge said:
Like how did they cut holes in stones with out diamond tipped drills, things like that?
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Some other way, obviously. Not knowing what this way was doesn't mean goddidit or "OMG Aliens!!!"


edge said:
How their myths legends become prophesy that came true?
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Firstly, myths are stories about what has already happened, so they can't "come true".

Secondly, without you bothering to give us a hint as to which prophecies you might be referring to, the best answer is that if people make up enough prophecies, especially really obvious ones like "this won't end well" (a personal favourite that I make all the time), really vague ones like "there will be a time of troubles" or self-fulfilling ones like "edge will post someting silly in response to this", then it's a pretty fair bet that a lot of them will appear to come true.


edge said:
Seems to by a cycle that is 6000 years and 10,000 years in repetition and we are going to find out if it’s true, soon.
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'Seems' on the basis of the evidence or 'seems' on the basis of you just making stuff up.

What, for instance, can you tell us about the main architectural trends of 10,000 years ago that we're about to see becoming fashionable again? Were they a repeat of the styles from 18,000 BCE?
 
edge said:
Heck the atheists claim that ignorant Christians are taught this from the bible so flat earthers have been around for many centuries according to you all.

There are passages in the Bible that coincide with scientific principles that weren't discovered by scientists until hundreds of years after the Bible had been written.
Source: http://www.bible.ca/b-science-evidences.htm

1. The Bible said the earth is round and is suspended in space:


The Bible revealed that the earth is round. Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, Amos 9:6...
The people of the fifteenth century who feared sailing because they thought they would fall over the edge of the flat earth. Yet the Bible revealed the truth in 1000 B.C. 2500 years before man discovered it for himself!

In various verses, the Bible says the earth is round and hangs in space. It took a long time for science to catch up and reach the same conclusions. Copernicus made the discovery in 1475. But the Bible always knew. Here are two related Bible verses that were written more than 2500 years ago, and more than 1000 years before Copernicus:

"He sits on throne above the circle of the earth..." (Isaiah 40:22,NIV). (By the way, the Hebrew language at that time did not have a word for "sphere," only for "circle.")
So lets see:


"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7, NIV).

Currents in the oceans known:
Click to expand...

Well, I think you're wrong about that first statement. It sounds like a generality pushed on "Coast to Coaast" or similar.

And for the Biblical references, you're cherry picking here, aren't you.
And your own quotes talk of God sitting on a throne above the circle of the world. C'mon, edge. That's not a scientific fact, is it?

This is the same source for other information, such as the Sun standing in the sky on Joshua's great batle day, the zombie invasion of Jerusalem after the crucifiction and Jesus walking on water?

But this a diversion from the OP, so let's return to those structures supposedly made long before the bible claims the Earth was formed.
 
edge said:
@caniswalensis
If they were sailing back in biblical times do you think they didn't notice what ladewig said here and put it together, and if their timelines are off how far back did they really know this?
It our conception of what the timeline really is.
As one of my links has stated these guys might have been sea mariner society that built many of these sites
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I think that biblical-era sailors could have noticed the curvature of the earth and concluded the earth was a sphere, if that is what you are asking me. I do not know if there is any proof of that, but sure, why not?

...But doesn't that further erode the claim that the bible recorded the earth as spherical before that knowledge was discovered by man?


I do not buy the idea of a 'super-culture' that spanned the globe ala Grahm Hancock. The differences in early cultures far outweigh the coincidental similarities. Also, many of those early cultures that Hancock uses to support his theories are not contemporary with each other. I don't think he did enough critical examination of his own ideas.

Regards, Canis
 
Elizabeth I said:
How do you imagine that people sailing "back in biblical times" would have any conception at all of what Ladewig said here this week?

This kind of thing is why people keep telling you your posts are incomprehensible.
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He was asking if I thought it possible that biblical era sailors noticed the earth was curved and and concluded it was round, as Ladewig had said sailors might have done.

He was not asking if I thought biblical era sailors had an opinion on Ladewig's post. :)

For the record, I think the first is possible, the latter is not. ;)

Regards, Canis
 
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