Moderated The NYPD and Molten Concrete

yankee451 said:
Radar can be faked as easily as colored maps from the USGS.
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I call those maps "pixels on a page." They've been offered to me many times when I challenged someone to show me a single image of a large pool of molten metal in the basement of the WTC.
 
yankee451 said:
I have already commented on the obviously sleazy-propaganda piece here.

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Chapter-IV-Aircraft-Impact.pdf

Their language is ambiguous and emotional. They take up all the aluminum in the wing and roll it into a big ball of play-doh, but even though the large bulk of a wing's mass is between the fuselage and the engine, they redistributed it equally along the length of their model wing. They didn't model it like real a wing is constructed, they made a big, thick hollow machete for the sake of modeling ease. They then neglected to do the same favor for the exterior walls, once again modeling them as square boxes. They then say they can't calculate the truss system so they calculated it as a steel plate. Seriously, this passes as science? They began with a predetirmined destination and built a math problem as the vehicle to take them there.

They are lying.
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Agreed. GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out.
 
yankee451 said:
Oh, by golly I stand corrected. Canooks aren't subject to propaganda - that's only we Americans, eh? Har.
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oh do elaborate on this for me please. Am I being held hostage by a separate group than is holding the vast majority of 'Mercans hostage , or for that matter that of the population of this planet, or is it a monolithic all encompassing world wide hostage taking? Does this (these) group(s) have a name?



Paranoia? If I was paranoid, using my real name and face on the Internet would compound that affliction wouldn't it?
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Either you are a person trying to speak your paranoid delusional version of truth to power and in such a scenario you believe that coming forward with your real life identity you somehow make it harder to overtly attack your person (the ' if I disappear too many people will notice,,,,' meme), or you know your claims are unadulterated bovine feces and are a deeply disturbed attention seeker just as satisfied with negative response as positive.

That's the dichotomy as I see it. Pick one or describe an alternative.
 
Fantasy for 1000., The answer is GIGO., What is Steel Foam? right again

WTC Dust said:
Agreed. GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out.
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What is your claim? Are you trying to be funny? You have a delusional claim of steel turned to foam at room temperature, and try to project the GIGO on other people? NIGO, is that better for your claims? Nonsense in... Or, TONIGO, tons of nonsense in...

WTC Dust said:
Aluminum, I understand. The exterior steel beams of the WTC were covered in aluminum cladding.
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It would be hard to miss that, but then you think the steel in the WTC was turned to foam; does yankee451 know that? Are you supporting his fantasy missiles?

WTC Dust said:
But brass and lead?
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Research? General knowledge?
WTC Dust said:
Are you saying that "tons" of brass and lead were located inside the WTC?
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Lead, tons of lead. Called UPS, lead acid batteries. The WTC had large banks, with tons of batteries, besides the UPS in the offices. Plus, called car batteries; found in the WTC parking lots... i give you lots of lead.

Brass, ...?
http://www.doityourself.com/stry/5-benefits-of-brass-plumbing-fittings
Brass used in fittings, lamps, plates, flatware, trims, kick plates, door pulls, switch plates, foot rails, trumpets, tubas, horns, euphonium, saxophones, trombones, napkin rings, jugs, cutlery, crockery, trays, ice-tongs, wine chillers, cooking utensils, handrails, cabinet hardware, planters, etc. At 900 to 1000 C, did a lot of brass melt at the WTC?

WTC Dust said:
Where?
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lol, do some research.
 
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beachnut said:
What is your claim? Are you trying to be funny? You have a delusional claim of steel turned to foam at room temperature, and try to project the GIGO on other people?
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Think of what a boon it would be if we could actually make foamy steel! Look at the strength to weight of common bone, made of brittle calcium carbonate and a smattering of other materials such as collagen. The secret is its porous structure which makes it dramatically lighter than solid mineral, but really just as strong.

Imagine what we could do with steel girders with the porous structure of human bone! What skyscrapers we could build!

Sorry for the derail, but Truther activity is really slacking off (maybe they're all concocting fantasies about Boston?), and I'm feeling a bit bored.:boxedin:
 
Redwood said:
Think of what a boon it would be if we could actually make foamy steel! Look at the strength to weight of common bone, made of brittle calcium carbonate and a smattering of other materials such as collagen. The secret is its porous structure which makes it dramatically lighter than solid mineral, but really just as strong.

Imagine what we could do with steel girders with the porous structure of human bone! What skyscrapers we could build!
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Cough

http://www.steelfoam.org/
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/resources/steel/pdfs/steel_foam.pdf
http://inhabitat.com/researcher-creates-strongest-metal-foam-ever/
http://www.goodfellow.com/E/Stainless-Steel-AISI-316-Foam.html
http://www.reade.com/products/22-fo...foam-copper-foam-porous-metal-cellular-solids

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_foam :)
 
Toyota forklifts use a metallic foam tube (approx 1" long by a 1/2" diameter) as a LPG filter. The replacement element costs about 70 dollars wholesale.
 
Sunstealer said:
Cough

http://www.steelfoam.org/
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/resources/steel/pdfs/steel_foam.pdf
http://inhabitat.com/researcher-creates-strongest-metal-foam-ever/
http://www.goodfellow.com/E/Stainless-Steel-AISI-316-Foam.html
http://www.reade.com/products/22-fo...foam-copper-foam-porous-metal-cellular-solids

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_foam :)
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OMG, dusty is right, there is steel foam; wait, was that her claim... no

lol, Metal foams can be made by injecting a gas or using foaming agent, with... molten metal.

Darn, she was so close. How did the super-duper secret NWO weapon of foamification melt the steel and inject a gas; foaming all the steel? Then how did the evil NWO sell the scrap metal? Magic, ...

I hope I did not say foam metals did not exist; I flew a supersonic aircraft in UPT, it had aluminum honeycomb. Lightweight and strong. I have seen foam filters, metal. I have never seen a building turn to steel foam. Imagine how much energy it would require.

Ironically WTC dust has found a fellow tangential 911 truth fantasy manufacturer. A match made in nonsense. Both agree there were no high temperatures, but can't specify what temperatures were present. Both laugh at science.

Ironically WTC dust and yankee451 agree with reality, no melted steel, no melted concrete; but rapidly depart into really silly fantasy - and a total disrespect for those who died on 911 at the hands of 19 nuts who figured out 911 before 911, something that alludes wtcdust and yankee451.
 
Redwood said:
That's what I get for being retired, and behind the times. What does this stuff cost? :o
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Don't know, it's not an area of metallurgy that I've followed closely, I just knew that steel foam and other metal foams existed. I'd read about it some time ago, but didn't realise it was a mature(ish) technology until yesterday. It looks interesting.
 
WTC Dust said:
I put forth this very same question, and got "office furnishings". Mmm hmm.
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In part, office furnishings yes. You're not giving enough credit to the 'heat booster'-capabilities of hydrocarbon-based combustibles. You're free to dismiss it and remain ignorant about this bit of mundane reality, but you'd be doing it at risk of making snickering oneliners like you did above (with a good chance of having your arguments arrested for vagrancy).
 
Jono said:
In part, office furnishings yes. You're not giving enough credit to the 'heat booster'-capabilities of hydrocarbon-based combustibles. You're free to dismiss it and remain ignorant about this bit of mundane reality, but you'd be doing it at risk of making snickering oneliners like you did above (with a good chance of having your arguments arrested for vagrancy).
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In your estimation, was there any large amount of fuel that wasn't office furnishings? If so, what do you think it was?
 
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WTC Dust said:
In your estimation, was there any large amount of fuel that wasn't office furnishings? If so, what do you think it was?
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Gasoline....from the thousand or so cars parked in the garages. Is is really that difficult for you to comprehend that there was many hundreds of tons of flammable material?
 
Let us not forget the blast furnace effect of wind blowing through the holes from the planes and explosions.
 
Skibum said:
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Gasoline....from the thousand or so cars parked in the garages. Is is really that difficult for you to comprehend that there was many hundreds of tons of flammable material?
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Yes, gas,,, and engine oil, transmission, and brake fluids (things tend to crack open when you drop tons of steel and concrete buildings on them), tires, upholstery.

You also have a air stream limiter which allows for more complete burning(yes by limiting oxygen ingress you get MORE calories out of the burn than you do if you have an abundance of oxygen and therefore allow incomplete combustion to take place. If air in coming in from only a few directions then combustion will use all of that oxygen in combusting the material it first encounters while simply heating the material further on, until the initial material has completely burned, then it will move to the , now preheated, newer material)
In addition we have a fair amount of insulation slowing heat loss and making combustion more complete by not having to raise the temperature of materials being burned.
Efficient wood stoves use these very principals to get more heat and less smoke from a load of wood. They also employ smoke shelves that are designed to heat the smoke as much as possible before leaving the stove and thus allowing more volatiles to ignite than one would get in say a simple fireplace.
 
Wolrab said:
Let us not forget the blast furnace effect of wind blowing through the holes from the planes and explosions.
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that is in effect only while the buildings stand.
What I describe above is for the underground rubble fires which could also incorporate a blast furnace effect in isolated locations. I created a post in another thread which described a small scale test for creation of an underground blast furnace effect.
 
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