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The Nautilus case

KDLarsen said:
I don't know what to believe at the moment, other than the near-incontrovertible fact that Peter Madsen dismembered Kim Wall, dispersed the body parts in Køge Bay, and finally sunk the sub. Everything else will be laid out in the trial to come and will have to be assessed at that point. Although we will have to wait and see if Peter Madsen actually decides to talk at that point.

Incidently, the latest news is that a saw has been located along the likely sailing route of the sub, and it's currently being tested to see if it was the one used to dismember Kim Wall's body.
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Beyond the fact that Wall's head has been found, and shows no signs of having been struck by a heavy object, do you really believe it's reasonable that Madsen, seeing his guest either killed or laid unconscious by an accident, decided against checking to see if she had a pulse, or radioing in a call announcing an accident and requesting help, and instead decided to proceed immediately to dismembering the body, scattering the body parts around the bay, and sinking the ship? Panic or no, that seems preposterous to me.
 
DragonLady said:
'Til this thread, I thought "snuff videos" were an urban legend.
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They are. In order to qualify as a "snuff film", the murder or suicide in question has to be staged for the purpose of entertainment. Therefore, something such as the Zapruder film doesn't qualify.

ETA: Neither do terrorist propaganda videos.
 
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theprestige said:
Source?
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Both of the previously linked articles, for two.

Captain_Swoop said:
Journalist Kim Wall's head found in sea near Copenhagen
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41536552

A court has heard that footage of women being strangled and decapitated was found on a hard drive believed to belong to the inventor.
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Arcade22 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-head-of-murdered-swedish-journalist-kim-wall
Danish Prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen told a court earlier this month that footage of women being decapitated alive had been found on a hard drive believed to belong to Mr Madsen.
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Latest news is that Peter Madsen has admitted to dismembering the body of Kim Wall, but he now claims she died of carbon monoxide poisoning inside the sub while he was above on deck.

Meanwhile, the charges against Peter Madsen has been expanded to include what is referred to as "sexual activities other than intercourse" (my translation), presumably on the basis of the stab wounds found in the lower regions of Kim Wall's torso.
 
This case just gets creepier and creepier. He at one time claimed a metal hatch hit her on the head, knocking her unconscious. When the head found there was no blunt trauma. Now he claims carbon monoxide poisoning. Does anyone know if an autopsy can confirm this by examining her lungs and tissues? Will the time her body was in the ocean erase any of this?
 
Monza said:
This case just gets creepier and creepier. He at one time claimed a metal hatch hit her on the head, knocking her unconscious. When the head found there was no blunt trauma. Now he claims carbon monoxide poisoning. Does anyone know if an autopsy can confirm this by examining her lungs and tissues? Will the time her body was in the ocean erase any of this?
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And does it even help him legally? I can see a presumption of innocence defence working if an accused party can postulate some vaguely innocent explanation for what happened... but after several alibis have been shot down, surely at some point your credibility is underwater?
 
Monza said:
This case just gets creepier and creepier. He at one time claimed a metal hatch hit her on the head, knocking her unconscious. When the head found there was no blunt trauma. Now he claims carbon monoxide poisoning. Does anyone know if an autopsy can confirm this by examining her lungs and tissues? Will the time her body was in the ocean erase any of this?
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I only saw the headline and byline, but it appears one coroner believes that the time the body spent in the water would make it difficult to determine.

Meanwhile, a military analyst and submarine expert remarked that he found it extremely implausible that only one person on the sub would suffer carbon monoxide poisoning.
 
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Yellow Submarines only need one operator but can take four passengers.
 
AFAIK Nautilus was built for single-man operations.

A minor correction the reports from yesterday, Peter Madsen's attorney has clarified that he's not made any admission as to what killed Kim Wall, but merely explained that he was in the conning tower, and that there was a carbon monoxide leak and negative pressure below deck.
 
KDLarsen said:
A minor correction the reports from yesterday, Peter Madsen's attorney has clarified that he's not made any admission as to what killed Kim Wall, but merely explained that he was in the conning tower, and that there was a carbon monoxide leak and negative pressure below deck.
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I'm betting that's true. Rig the leak, hide out in the tower while the supercargo asphyxiates, pop back down to dismember the body and scuttle the boat. And he would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for... Actually, he was never going to get away with it.
 
For what it's worth, on January 16, Peter Madsen was officially charged with murder, indecent handling of a corpse, and sexual assault, without intercourse, of a particularly dangerous nature. On top of that he has been charged with violating a number of maritime laws.

The trial will be heard by a panel of three judges, two of whom are lay judges. Normally a trial with a penalty of at least four years (the penalty for murder is at least five years) would be heard by three judges and a jury of six, but the defendant has the right to waive this in favour of the smaller panel.
 
 
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