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halleyscomet said:
It's the Muslim equivalent to leaving Jack Chick tracks all over highway rest stops. Speaking of which...
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That bigot cartoon shouldn't be posted here not even to reply the bigotry in Emre's posts. It's an immoral cartoon, as immoral as the twisted interpretations of the Quran we're been spoon fed here.

I know it wasn't your intention, but that cartoon is appalling. The bad faith regarding the name of Allah is like saying that God in Latin (Deus) is Zeus, father of gods and semi-divine bastards (what etymologically is entirely true).
 
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Everyone is free to believe what they wish. This is the goal of the test world. To confront yourself.

Quran only allows a war of defense.

If you read the full of the verses, you will always see the struggle with the attackers in the defense battle.

Example;

2:190 Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors.

2:191 Fight them wherever you meet them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. Do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then fight them. Thus is the reward of those who do not appreciate.

2:192 If they cease, then God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

2:193 Fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is God's. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.

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Here again, He says, fight with the attackers.

But if you pull out a single verse. You make it look like saying the opposite.

And look at:

49:9 And if two parties of believers battle with each other, you shall reconcile them; but if one of them aggresses against the other, then you shall fight the one aggressing until it complies with the command of God. Once it complies, then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice, and be equitable; for God loves those who are equitable.

As you can see saying, if the attackers are Muslims, stop them too.
 
aleCcowaN said:
That bigot cartoon shouldn't be posted here not even to reply the bigotry in Emre's posts. It's an immoral cartoon, as immoral as the twisted interpretations of the Quran we're been spoon fed here.

I know it wasn't your intention, but that cartoon is appalling. The bad faith regarding the name of Allah is like saying that God in Latin (Deus) is Zeus, father of gods and semi-divine bastards (what etymologically is entirely true).
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Thank you for the outside perspective. I was raised in a household that did things like give out Chick tracts for Halloween. Having been raised with them as “normal” I, even now, sometimes fail to realize just how offensive they tend to be, especially when they’re attacking concepts and ideologies with which I am unfamiliar.

My intention was to highlight the mindless futility of the form of evangelism Emre is engaging in. I went too far with the Chick tract.
 
calebprime said:
One of the curious things about Louis Armstrong was his unabashed promotion -- well ahead of its time -- of laxatives and cannabis.

His manager discouraged him from talking too much about either, but I think Louis planned to write a book.

Our Emre__1974tr could use a manager like that.

Just thought I'd share this little fun nugget about Louis A.

A sexually voracious man, too. But perhaps kind.

Come to think of it, Who Would Win? Allah, armed with a koran, or Louis, armed with a horn, laxatives, and a bag of weed?

I'm bettin' on Louis.
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Agreed.

Even though many jazz players of his generation smoked, few would admit to it for obvious reasons - Bing Crosby and Louis had many a good time together smoking, or at least that's the story.
 
halleyscomet said:
Thank you for the outside perspective. I was raised in a household that did things like give out Chick tracts for Halloween. Having been raised with them as “normal” I, even now, sometimes fail to realize just how offensive they tend to be, especially when they’re attacking concepts and ideologies with which I am unfamiliar.

My intention was to highlight the mindless futility of the form of evangelism Emre is engaging in. I went too far with the Chick tract.
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I bet your house got egged.
 
aleCcowaN said:
Just in constipated bodies, I guess.

Not a theological problem that a good laxative couldn't solve.
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Please, there's no reason to be disrespectful to religious believers. They are not bad people, nor are their beliefs plain stupid.

You needn't agree with them, but you've no reason to mock them.
 
calebprime said:
One of the curious things about Louis Armstrong was his unabashed promotion -- well ahead of its time -- of laxatives and cannabis.

His manager discouraged him from talking too much about either, but I think Louis planned to write a book.

Our Emre__1974tr could use a manager like that.

Just thought I'd share this little fun nugget about Louis A.

A sexually voracious man, too. But perhaps kind.

Come to think of it, Who Would Win? Allah, armed with a koran, or Louis, armed with a horn, laxatives, and a bag of weed?

I'm bettin' on Louis.
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Sorry, laxatives? Really?

Great trumpeter, and a real advocate for racial equality despite how some think of him as an Uncle Tom. But laxatives?
 
It's one of those embarrassing authentic details about the man.


Personal habits[edit]
Armstrong was concerned with his health. He used laxatives to control his weight, a practice he advocated both to acquaintances and in the diet plans he published under the title Lose Weight the Satchmo Way.[72] Armstrong's laxative of preference in his younger days was Pluto Water, but he then became an enthusiastic convert when he discovered the herbal remedy Swiss Kriss.[72] He would extol its virtues to anyone who would listen and pass out packets to everyone he encountered, including members of the British Royal Family. (Armstrong also appeared in humorous, albeit risqué, cards that he had printed to send out to friends; the cards bore a picture of him sitting on a toilet—as viewed through a keyhole—with the slogan "Satch says, 'Leave it all behind ya!'")[81] The cards have sometimes been incorrectly described as ads for Swiss Kriss.[82] In a live recording of "Baby, It's Cold Outside" with Velma Middleton, he changes the lyric from "Put another record on while I pour" to "Take some Swiss Kriss while I pour."[83]

Armstrong was a heavy marijuana smoker for much of his life, and spent nine days in jail in 1930 after being arrested for drug possession outside a club. He described marijuana as "a thousand times better than whiskey".[84]

The concern with his health and weight was balanced by his love of food, reflected in such songs as "Cheesecake", "Cornet Chop Suey,"[85] though "Struttin' with Some Barbecue" was written about a fine-looking companion, not about food.[86] He kept a strong connection throughout his life to the cooking of New Orleans, always signing his letters, "Red beans and ricely yours..."[87]

Armstrong was also a heavy advocate of major league baseball and founded a team in his hometown of New Orleans, that was formally known as the "Raggedy Nine" and transformed the team into his Armstrong's "Secret Nine Baseball."[88]

Writings[edit]
Armstrong's gregariousness extended to writing. On the road, he wrote constantly, sharing favorite themes of his life with correspondents around the world. He avidly typed or wrote on whatever stationery was at hand, recording instant takes on music, sex, food, childhood memories, his heavy "medicinal" marijuana use—and even his bowel movements, which he gleefully described.[89]
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phiwum said:
Please, there's no reason to be disrespectful to religious believers. They are not bad people, nor are their beliefs plain stupid.

You needn't agree with them, but you've no reason to mock them.
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My replies are not ideological but rather antipathetic in the style of the poster being replied.

Believers are to be respected and cared for, until they come to forums devoted to scepticism and start to pontificate and rapidly degenerate into spewers that cannot (and are unwilling) to follow a rational path, becoming increasingly contemptuous each time they are contradicted.

My experience here taught me that, like untamed animals, they respond better to hardship (within the boundaries of the MA) than to any attempt to call them to reason. And in a dwindling astray forum like this one, I prefer to be an isolated lymphocyte B than a neuron expecting for its partners to come with a fresh idea.
 
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phiwum said:
Please, there's no reason to be disrespectful to religious believers. They are not bad people, nor are their beliefs plain stupid.

You needn't agree with them, but you've no reason to mock them.
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But their beliefs quite frequently are stupid on the face of it. Pointing that out is not mocking, it's a mixture of disbelief, hopefully better thinking, and perhaps even an honest attempt to get the candle out from under the bushel.

When they become fervent, dogmatic and overtly proselytizing in a forum such as this they get called on it. Every time. When they find they cannot sway the masses with their thoughts, and are told as much repeatedly yet refuse to shut up and/or go away, they get called on that, too. Every time.

This is not a forum for religious believers; such forums already exist in great numbers regardless of which fervent faith one might name. This is a forum for skeptical - hopefully the full meaning of the term - discussion. There have been posters who are clearly of a religious bent who engage in constructive give-and-take without having their hair on fire nor with any feelings of persecution.
 
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The universes were initially in liquid form.

11:7 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His Throne was upon the water; so as to test who from among you works the best. And when you say: "You will be resurrected after the death," those who have rejected say: "This is but clear magic!"
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The universes were initially in liquid form.

11:7 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His Throne was upon the water; so as to test who from among you works the best. And when you say: "You will be resurrected after the death," those who have rejected say: "This is but clear magic!"
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This is but clear nonsense.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The universes were initially in liquid form.

11:7 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His Throne was upon the water; so as to test who from among you works the best. And when you say: "You will be resurrected after the death," those who have rejected say: "This is but clear magic!"
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You're trying to derail your own created thread unless you do the minimal effort to show how that is a "miracle", but anyway..

Better this

And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic."


It's evidently man created, as the water was down and the devilgod was above, showing gravity, as it worked in the seventh century in planet Earth, to be the inspiration of that depiction.

I for one would rather say "this is not but obvious BS!" with stress mark in the BS.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The universes were initially in liquid form.
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I will drink to that.

Emre_1974tr said:
11:7 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth
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did he create himself too?
Emre_1974tr said:
in six days
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Who cares how long it took him, why is he telling this to us if he created time, did he create time before heaven and earth so he could tell us how long it took? ,
Emre_1974tr said:
and His Throne
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Why did he need a throne? Was he afraid that gravity would get to him at some point? Or did he learn it from the kings that would come in a few billion years later?
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was upon the water
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That's a cool trick, so it was a floating throne. When did he decide to integrate with the material world? I guess he needed to experience what he just created and see if he can float..

Emre_1974tr said:
so as to test who from among you works the best.
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He couldn't trust his pre-knowledge of who goes to hell and heaven?

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And when you say
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Wait, is he talking to Mohammad or to us? So Allah is talking to Mohammad and Mohammad is reflecting the talk to us ? I am confused, thought the Koran was a clear message to the humanity.
So if I am A, and B is sending me a message to be conveyed to C, I say to C : "A , when you say..."

Emre_1974tr said:
: "You will be resurrected after the death," those who have rejected say: "This is but clear magic!"
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The only intelligent message from the Koran. Of course the infidels got it right. If it's not science then it's magic.
 
winter salt said:
The only intelligent message from the Koran. Of course the infidels got it right. If it's not science then it's magic.
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Hear,hear! A solid and thorough argument.

If you don't mind me asking, are you a native speaker of Arabic? Because I'm having a hard time understanding if Arabic has more than one past tense (it looks to me that way). 'Cause if that's the case there's a bunch of problems understanding what happened first and what happened later, as so many contradicting English versions of each verse show.
 
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