The Metaphysical Consciousness

[doronshadmi]

... but gaining hidden knowledge ain't one of them.

Exactly the opposite, instead of beliefs (which are always at the subjective level of thoughts) TM enable one's mind to directly be aware of the objective source of all possible knowledge, mental, spiritual, physical, or any other used name etc.

Again, talking about TM as done between you and me in this thread, has nothing do do with actually practicing TM in order to directly be aware of the objective source of all possible knowledge.

 

[Donn]

When in Rome...
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If you want to know, start here.

Much as I thought. A pity really, you have all these skills but no will to use them.

 

[Donn]

TM enable one's mind to directly be aware of the objective source of all possible knowledge

Can you learn any of this knowledge once you are aware of the source? If so, do you know anyone plugged-in like that? Because, you know, world peace, hunger, clean power, global warming, disease, and how to cook the perfect pie are all needed things.

Unless all it's good for is knowing how to scam people on false healing and some frog-hop levitation lessons.

 

[tsig]

Can you learn any of this knowledge once you are aware of the source? If so, do you know anyone plugged-in like that? Because, you know, world peace, hunger, clean power, global warming, disease, and how to cook the perfect pie are all needed things.

Unless all it's good for is knowing how to scam people on false healing and some frog-hop levitation lessons.

Here's some metaphysical palaver.

When your mind is swept by the wild winds of wisdom your third charkra will vibrate with the harmony of the gods and every thing will be as clear as crystal and we will laugh in divine humor at the pettiness of being.

 

[gentlehorse]

Words like that are a poetic finger pointing to the moon, not law. Don't get caught up in poetry. That's what fundamentalists do.

Blatant contradictions = "poetry"

Me likey! No responsibilities! No evidence? No problem! Belief based on nothing more than the strength of your personal feely feely! That's it. I'm converted. From this day forward, I shall be known as Dreammassahfuzzy.

Besides, entheogens are a sacred meditation device and teacher in the right hands. In the wrong hands they are abused for mere recreation.

A hallucination is not a reliable source of information.

Hope your third eye is feeling better now.

Squinnnnnnnnnnntinnnnnng. My third eye tells me that you got nothin' (and that you're a tad on the grouchy side and that you should align your chakras, for goodness sake).

 

[Donn]

I'm sorry to put it this bluntly, but the third eye is literally where bs emerges.

 

[punshhh]

Yes, it does. Satori has a very specific definition in Zen Buddhism, and isn't scientific in the least. I agree there are benefits to practicing meditation, and measurable ones at that, but gaining hidden knowledge ain't one of them.

Meditation and its results are an exercise or discipline, rather like learning to stand and balance perfectly still on your toes in ballet. To get from standing perfectly still on your toes (which is where meditation gets you) to a performance of swan lake, requires an equivalent intellectual practice/pursuit of wisdom and understanding. This practice is generally referred to as mysticism. Unfortunately there are very few if any mystical schools these days and the knowledge is to be found scattered and incomplete here and there within religious teaching and various other forms of literature.

 

[punshhh]

I'm sorry to put it this bluntly, but the third eye is literally where bs emerges.

I though that was the derrière.

 

[Bad vibe]

Meditation and its results are an exercise or discipline, rather like learning to stand and balance perfectly still on your toes in ballet. To get from standing perfectly still on your toes (which is where meditation gets you) to a performance of swan lake, requires an equivalent intellectual practice/pursuit of wisdom and understanding. This practice is generally referred to as mysticism. Unfortunately there are very few if any mystical schools these days and the knowledge is to be found scattered and incomplete here and there within religious teaching and various other forms of literature.

Like Marvel comics.

 

[bruto]

I though that was the derrière.

I think you're getting the idea.

 

[doronshadmi]

Can you learn any of this knowledge once you are aware of the source?

It depends on the level one's awareness.

Currently there are no known people that are able to stabilize higher states of consciousness in their daily life.

But scientific researches of the past 30 years of mental training like TM clearly show the plasticity of the brain functions, which eventually enable people to actually demonstrate higher states of consciousness in their daily life.

The theory at the basis of this mental training asserts that it will actually happen (stable higher states of consciousness will appear among people) only if at least 1% of the square root of all the people in the world will practice advanced TM techniques, called Sidhis, twice a day, every day (for more details, please see http://www.mum.edu/m_effect/).

 

[Donn]

Currently there are no known people that are able to stabilize higher states of consciousness in their daily life.

Thanks for being frank. If I were you, I'd change my statement from:

TM enables one's mind to directly be aware of the objective source of all possible knowledge.​

To:

TM is hypothesized without evidence to enable one's mind to directly be aware of the objective source of all possible knowledge.​

This way, you can remain honest while expounding your support for TM. The first form leads readers to suppose that you are speaking about facts, which is not the case.

But scientific researches of the past 30 years of mental training like TM clearly show the plasticity of the brain functions, which eventually enable people to actually demonstrate higher states of consciousness in their daily life.

I have no doubt that there are (mundane) states of consciousness that we can learn more about and that might be beneficial to humanity. These may even be reached by way of some of the TM techniques. Or not. I'm glad science is at least looking into it by way of neuro-science.

 

[asydhouse]

It depends on the level one's awareness.

Currently there are no known people that are able to stabilize higher states of consciousness in their daily life.

But scientific researches of the past 30 years of mental training like TM clearly show the plasticity of the brain functions, which eventually enable people to actually demonstrate higher states of consciousness in their daily life.

The theory at the basis of this mental training asserts that it will actually happen (stable higher states of consciousness will appear among people) only if at least 1% of the square root of all the people in the world will practice advanced TM techniques, called Sidhis, twice a day, every day (for more details, please see http://www.mum.edu/m_effect/).

Hahahaha "1% of the square root of all the people"!

Someone pulled that out of their "third eye" (see above). Have you never stopped to wonder how they can possibly know this sciencey looking pseudo formula? Or by what mechanism all these individual minds could be affected by the other meditators?

You seem to have swallowed a religion and mistaken it for a technology.

 

[Donn]

Lol, yes, that's 836.66 people (ish). So precise, it must be legit! It's that last .66th Sidhi practioner that's gonna be the tough part.

 

[doronshadmi]

Thanks for being frank. If I were you, I'd change my statement from:

TM enables one's mind to directly be aware of the objective source of all possible knowledge.​

To:

TM is hypothesized without evidence to enable one's mind to directly be aware of the objective source of all possible knowledge.​

Please look at it again:

Currently there are no known people that are able to stabilize higher states of consciousness in their daily life.

The keyword is stabilize, which means that it is a measurable scientific fact that TM enables one's mind to directly be aware of the objective source of all possible knowledge (the unified field beyond thoughts) only during the practice.

In other words, no one demonstrated yet stabilized higher states of consciousness in his daily life, which are scientifically measurable.

I'll use some analogy.

Take for example an orchestra, before playing the players tune their instruments (equivalent to TM practice) in order to be harmonious with each other.

But during the concert (daily life conditions) the tuning among the instruments is gradually lost and the players have to re-tune their instruments (to practice TM again) in order to be harmonious again with each other.

This is the current state among meditators.

According to this analogy a stable higher state of consciousness is equivalent to harmonious tuning that is not lost anymore during playing.

Such state of mind was not scientifically measured, yet.

 

[PixyMisa]

There's no such thing as a "higher state of consciousness".

 

[Donn]

The keyword is stabilize, which means that it is a measurable scientific fact that TM enables one's mind to directly be aware of the objective source of all possible knowledge (the unified field beyond thoughts) only during the practice.

So, for a short while (during practice) you can be directly aware of the source of all knowledge?

I gotta say this feels like I'm being language lawyered into submission. What are you saying?

Can a TM mind reach and access (i.e. brings back/write down some of) the source of all knowledge or not?

If so, where are the inevitable breakthroughs so very badly needed?

 

[doronshadmi]

If so, where are the inevitable breakthroughs so very badly needed?

Please look, for example, at http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10115632&postcount=39 and http://www.tm.org/published-research-studies.

 

[Resume]

It depends on the level one's awareness.

Currently there are no known people that are able to stabilize higher states of consciousness in their daily life.

But scientific researches of the past 30 years of mental training like TM clearly show the plasticity of the brain functions, which eventually enable people to actually demonstrate higher states of consciousness in their daily life.

The theory at the basis of this mental training asserts that it will actually happen (stable higher states of consciousness will appear among people) only if at least 1% of the square root of all the people in the world will practice advanced TM techniques, called Sidhis, twice a day, every day (for more details, please see http://www.mum.edu/m_effect/).

What is a higher state of consciousness? How do you know when you've achieved it? By what metric?

Has anyone TMed a better mousetrap?

 

[Resume]

Here's some metaphysical palaver.

When your mind is swept by the wild winds of wisdom your third charkra will vibrate with the harmony of the gods and every thing will be as clear as crystal and we will laugh in divine humor at the pettiness of being.

My third chakra vibrates after chili/cheese dogs.