The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread.

[Distracted1]

Neither, and if you had been paying attention, you would have known that!

Try learning to swim before you jump in at the deep end!



They don't have "their genders mixed up". You are still proceeding from a total and complete misunderstanding of the subject material.



Denying them the right to be who they are without being discriminated against IS penalizing, and in exactly the same may that denying black people the right to be citizens of the country of their birth was penalizing, or denying gays and lesbians the right to serve their country in the military is penalizing, or allowing people to be denied employment on the basis of their ethnicity is penalizing.



Your use of the term "reality" shows us your true colours.... no different from those of Marjorie Taylor-Bigot.

Try telling a transgender person that their gender is mixed up, tell them what you think "reality" is when it comes to gender. Let us know what their reaction was.

Truly, if you wish to demonstrate your scientific expertise in the area in order to justify the total irrefutable correctness of your viewpoint I would welcome seeing it in the thread devoted to the topic.

Outside of that, you are making a bald assertion of nothing other than belief with all the justification of a new religion or cult- then calling others (who constitute the majority), who reject your new faith "bigots"

 

[Distracted1]

Don't you just love it when someone tells another person how they feel and what they think? Talk about arrogant.

It's the worst.

 

[tyr_13]

Truly, if you wish to demonstrate your scientific expertise in the area in order to justify the total irrefutable correctness of your viewpoint I would welcome seeing it in the thread devoted to the topic.

Outside of that, you are making a bald assertion of nothing other than belief with all the justification of a new religion or cult- then calling others (who constitute the majority), who reject your new faith "bigots"

A lot of reasonable people have left that thread to the people who are so certain they are reasonable they couldn't figure out that purposefully misgendering a cis gay man in order to mock was, you know, a bad thing to do. Being so insufferable people leave doesn't make you right, and it certainly doesn't make one 'in the majority'. Which you aren't on this one. That you feel safe and victorious in that thread in absolutely no way makes you correct.

 

[Stacyhs]

It's the worst.

So stop.

 

[Distracted1]

A lot of reasonable people have left that thread to the people who are so certain they are reasonable they couldn't figure out that purposefully misgendering a cis gay man in order to mock was, you know, a bad thing to do. Being so insufferable people leave doesn't make you right, and it certainly doesn't make one 'in the majority'. Which you aren't on this one. That you feel safe and victorious in that thread in absolutely no way makes you correct.

Something about thinking, and feeling, and telling someone else how they do those things..... It's around here somewhere.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Indeed, and I agree.
Does that make the %50 or so of the regular participants in that thread "hateful bigots"?

I've already stated that I am not involved in that thread. If, as you claim, 50% of the regular participants in that thread would agree with MTG's actions, then yeah, they are at least supportive of hateful bigotry.

If the science is unsettled, making a declarative claim WRT the veracity of the statement (which I was definitely not the first to do in this thread) is of roughly equal value.

I was merely pointing out that her oversimplification was clearly wrong. If it were that simple it would not be worth discussing.

Holding an opinion that falls on one side or another of the issue is neither hateful, nor bigoted. Responding to the statement "trans women are women" with "trans women are not women" does not land in the territory of "bigoted" unless one has chosen to abandon all pretense of rational discussion and gone straight to spittle-spewing tribalism.

Holding the opinion that trans people do not deserve the same consideration that non-trans people deserve is just as bigoted as holding the position that gay people do not deserve the same consideration as straight people. That you frame it as your opinion does not make it less bigoted than if you tried to frame it as a fact. Especially for someone who has the power to pass laws that can actually impact the legal rights of their citizens.

 

[smartcooky]

Holding the opinion that trans people do not deserve the same consideration that non-trans people deserve is just as bigoted as holding the position that gay people do not deserve the same consideration as straight people. That you frame it as your opinion does not make it less bigoted than if you tried to frame it as a fact. Especially for someone who has the power to pass laws that can actually impact the legal rights of their citizens.

In matters of national concern, these politicians have a responsibility to ensure that they act in the interests of ALL of the citizens of their country. It isn't their job to turn their own vile, bigoted opinions into legislation.

Marjorie Taylor-Greene is a horrible person - racist, homophobic, transphobic and a lying conspiracy theorist; a thoroughly nasty individual in every way. She does not deserve the privilege of serving in government.

 

[Resume]

Marjorie Taylor-Greene is a horrible person - racist, homophobic, transphobic and a lying conspiracy theorist; a thoroughly nasty individual in every way. She does not deserve the privilege of serving in government.

Yep.

 

[zorro99]

Marjorie Taylor-Greene is a horrible person - racist, homophobic, transphobic and a lying conspiracy theorist; a thoroughly nasty individual in every way. She does not deserve the privilege of serving in government.

Only they we can do now is laugh at, mock and make fun of her and her supporters. Ridicule is the only effective tool against these types.

 

[dudalb]

dubalb is as patient as he is long-suffering.

I prefer to wait for a smoking gun....and the guy we are talking about produced it in this thread.

 

[Distracted1]

I've already stated that I am not involved in that thread. If, as you claim, 50% of the regular participants in that thread would agree with MTG's actions, then yeah, they are at least supportive of hateful bigotry.



I was merely pointing out that her oversimplification was clearly wrong. If it were that simple it would not be worth discussing.



Holding the opinion that trans people do not deserve the same consideration that non-trans people deserve is just as bigoted as holding the position that gay people do not deserve the same consideration as straight people. That you frame it as your opinion does not make it less bigoted than if you tried to frame it as a fact. Especially for someone who has the power to pass laws that can actually impact the legal rights of their citizens.

Do not pretend that you are not aware that legislation is not as cut and dry as that. It is a trick used by politicians, and should be beneath anyone here.

A bill can state that "trans people may not be discriminated against in housing" while also stating that "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one".

When someone rejects the legislation for the latter reason- it is transparently disingenuous to accuse them of being "against" the former. We think of politicians in disparaging terms precisely because of tactics like that.

 

[wareyin]

Do not pretend that you are not aware that legislation is not as cut and dry as that. It is a trick used by politicians, and should be beneath anyone here.

A bill can state that "trans people may not be discriminated against in housing" while also stating that "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one".

When someone rejects the legislation for the latter reason- it is transparently disingenuous to accuse them of being "against" the former. We think of politicians in disparaging terms precisely because of tactics like that.

Do not pretend that you haven't been repeatedly told that MTG has a long history of anti-LGBTQ activism, which pre-dates her entry into politics.

Given that knowledge, one doesn't have to pretend legislation said anything like your claim. We know it didn't, and we know why she is against it. Your apologetics for her fail.

 

[tyr_13]

Something about thinking, and feeling, and telling someone else how they do those things..... It's around here somewhere.

Well once you find it, do let me know. Till then, your assertions about how right you are remain unfounded.

 

[smartcooky]

A bill can state that "trans people may not be discriminated against in housing" while also stating that "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one".

You do realise that the text of HR5 is freely available to the public, which means everyone here can read it, and can immediately see that both you and your vile friend Marjorie are lying about what it says, right?

Please show me anywhere in HR5 where it says "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one" (and keep in mind that you put that bit in quotes, so now you have to find that exact sentence in the body of HR5, or your claim fails)

For the runner up prize, show me anywhere in HR5 where it even implies this.

ETA: Here, I'll even help you out

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5/text

 

[Dr. Keith]

Do not pretend that you are not aware that legislation is not as cut and dry as that. It is a trick used by politicians, and should be beneath anyone here.

A bill can state that "trans people may not be discriminated against in housing" while also stating that "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one".

When someone rejects the legislation for the latter reason- it is transparently disingenuous to accuse them of being "against" the former. We think of politicians in disparaging terms precisely because of tactics like that.

Is that what you think happened here? Do you think MTG actually really does support transgender rights, but she wants to nail down the definition so that others aren't simply pretending to be transgender to get the benefits?

That is not my impression, but I'm open to evidence of this.

 

[smartcooky]

Hey, Distracted1, here's a wee reminder about some still outstanding homework....

You do realise that the text of HR5 is freely available to the public, which means everyone here can read it, and can immediately see that both you and your vile friend Marjorie are lying about what it says, right?

Please show me anywhere in HR5 where it says "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one" (and keep in mind that you put that bit in quotes, so now you have to find that exact sentence in the body of HR5, or your claim fails)

For the runner up prize, show me anywhere in HR5 where it even implies this.

ETA: Here, I'll even help you out

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5/text

Looks like you have run away from the hard questions!

 

[Steve]

Hey, Distracted1, here's a wee reminder about some still outstanding homework....



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Looks like you have run away from the hard questions!

Not fair doing research and expecting facts from MTG supporters who only deal in opinions and obfuscation.

 

[Distracted1]

Hey, Distracted1, here's a wee reminder about some still outstanding homework....



[qimg]https://www.dropbox.com/s/n050avecqug46ie/CatImpatient.gif?raw=1[/qimg]

Looks like you have run away from the hard questions!

Oh, yes, your demand for an explanation.
You got me, nowhere does the bill specifically use the exact words "trans people may not be discriminated against in housing", therefore you are correct- it does not prohibit that kind of discrimination.
Well argued, kudos.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Oh, yes, your demand for an explanation.
You got me, nowhere does the bill specifically use the exact words "trans people may not be discriminated against in housing", therefore you are correct- it does not prohibit that kind of discrimination.
Well argued, kudos.

You support housing discrimination?

 

[smartcooky]

Oh, yes, your demand for an explanation.
You got me, nowhere does the bill specifically use the exact words "trans people may not be discriminated against in housing", therefore you are correct- it does not prohibit that kind of discrimination.
Well argued, kudos.

Non sequitur. Your reply is not related to the question - no one is making that claim. You, however, made the claim that the legislation being discussed said "for legal purposes, anyone who declares himself to be a Woman is one".

You're not getting off that easy. Since your claim was made as a statement of fact, and in quote marks, the only way to support that claim is to find that exact statement in the text of HR5. I will accept wording that means or implies the same thing.

If you can't find it, you need to withdraw your claim and admit you were wrong.