BobTheCoward
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Who, in wareyin's post, is pretending?
I don't think anyone is pretending.
Who, in wareyin's post, is pretending?
I don't think anyone is pretending.
So your comment was, as I thought, just noise completely disconnected from the discussion. Thank you for confirming.
2 threads on twitter discussing the science of gender
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No. I was referring to an allegation that someone is pretending. But I was asked who is pretending. For me to think someone is pretending, I would have to agree with the allegation. And I don't.
Trans people. MTG says they are just pretending. wareyin is talking about MTG's statements.Who, in wareyin's post, is pretending?
Trans people. MTG says they are just pretending.
I didn't say you were.I am not required to think an allegation is true to discuss an allegation.
I didn't say you were.
"pretending" is a reasonable interpretation of a man/woman behaving in such a way as to attempt to give the impression that they are a gender other than what they are.
"refusing" is also a reasonable description of someone insisting that they are a gender different from what they are.
These are not hateful, nor discriminotory descriptors. They represent an outlook that is opposed to the agenda pushed by many trans-folk, but they are hardly outside of mainstream ideology. One could argue that calling them "hateful" or "vile" is such a transparent attempt to mischaracterize the sentiments based upon an agenda, that those arguments are just as kooky as a "jewish space laser"
You may think you're helping your case by jumping back and forth here, or maybe you just can't keep track of the conversation. A clue to what a statement is in response to is the quoted post included in that post, if that helps.
You denied that Greene was denying the existence of trans people. She literally said they're pretending. If they are pretending to be trans then they don't exist as trans.
Your claim was false. You thinking her claim is reasonable doesn't change what she claimed.
Her claim is that they are pretending to be a particular gender. Not that they are pretending to be Trans.You may think you're helping your case by jumping back and forth here, or maybe you just can't keep track of the conversation. A clue to what a statement is in response to is the quoted post included in that post, if that helps.
You denied that Greene was denying the existence of trans people. She literally said they're pretending. If they are pretending to be trans then they don't exist as trans.
Your claim was false. You thinking her claim is reasonable doesn't change what she claimed.
Her claim is that they are pretending to be a particular gender. Not that they are pretending to be Trans.
reality is indifferent to how anyone feels.Well, I'll be charitable and assume you really don't know how these people feel.
Hans
reality is indifferent to how anyone feels.
If during those times I was objectively hungry, tired, Cold, or wet- they were not.Have you ever felt hungry, tired, wet or cold? Were these just delusions?
You simply aren't getting the point: a response in kind is possible, but I don't think she is capable of it.
I would respond in kind by posting a rainbow flag, because I have LGBTQ loved ones I care about.
I could post a BLM flag because I have been inspired by what their movement has done in a short time.
I could post a vet flag because I have loved ones who are vets who I think do not get treated as well as they should.
Or is your contention that I need to find a response in kind that fits with MTG's message of bigotry and exclusion? Sorry, not happening.
reality is indifferent to how anyone feels.
If during those times I was objectively hungry, tired, Cold, or wet- they were not.
If I felt wet while not being wet- I was experiencing a break with reality.
If I insist you treat me as if I am wet during that period of time, I am making an unreasonable demand upon you, one which you are under no obligation to honor.