The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread.

[RecoveringYuppy]

What anti trans legislation has she proposed?

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ene-backs-bill-would-ban-pride-flags-n1256796

 

[Distracted1]

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ene-backs-bill-would-ban-pride-flags-n1256796

From the link:

"The only flag Greene specifically called out in her statement backing the flag legislation was the Black Lives Matter flag. She slammed “past, rogue members of the State Department” for flying “the flag of the radical Marxist group, Black Lives Matter.”


Seems it actually bans any flag other than the American one at American embassies.

Weak-sauce if it is supposed to be an example of "anti-trans" legislation.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

From the link:

The only flag Greene specifically called out in her statement backing the flag legislation was the Black Lives Matter flag. She slammed “past, rogue members of the State Department” for flying “the flag of the radical Marxist group, Black Lives Matter.”

Seems it actually bans any flag other than the American one at American embassies.

Weak-sauce if it is supposed to be an example of "anti-trans" legislation.

And the other parts of that link??

 

[Matthew Best]

And the other parts of that link??

Greene insisted she isn’t playing politics, adding, “this is about Patriotism, and we need more of it.”

She's wrong - we need less of it.

 

[Steve]

Greene insisted she isn’t playing politics, adding, “this is about Patriotism, and we need more of it.”

She's wrong - we need less of it.

Seems to be a common trait of American "patriots" to deny rights to people who are not exactly like them.

 

[Distracted1]

And the other parts of that link??

The second example is a bit better.
Seems she would propose legislation that bars men, and trans women (biological men), from participating in Women's sport. Certainly opposed to the trans agenda, and on that basis could be called anti-trans, yet it is not punitive towards the trans-gendered, nor does it deny them rights.

 

[smartcooky]

By "her position" are you asking about the sign she put up which read simply "There are two genders, Male and Female" ?

You don't find that a supportable position?

Nope, I don't! While there are two sexes, sex is not the same as gender.

Sex is a biological construct, a physiological state.

Gender is a social construct, a psychological state.

If her sign had said "There are two sexes, respect the science", I would not have much of an issue with it.

 

[Resume]

Seems to be a common trait of American "patriots" to deny rights to people who are not exactly like them.

It's Trump's humping of the flag. It's self-serving, pandering theater that plays with a certain segment of U.S. voters.

 

[Minoosh]

The second example is a bit better.
Seems she would propose legislation that bars men, and trans women (biological men), from participating in Women's sport. Certainly opposed to the trans agenda, and on that basis could be called anti-trans, yet it is not punitive towards the trans-gendered, nor does it deny them rights.

She is telling trans people they shouldn't exist. In fact she's saying they don't exist - they are mistaken. To me, that's a pretty hateful message.

Meanwhile she claims to know the mind of God.

 

[Lurch]

Well, wouldn't hermaphrodites possibly qualify as a third? They're at least something of a hybrid.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

two is just the lowest number at which sex works.
but many species have more than two sexes.

 

[smartcooky]

Well, wouldn't hermaphrodites possibly qualify as a third? They're at least something of a hybrid.

two is just the lowest number at which sex works.
but many species have more than two sexes.

True and true, but lets not get tied up with edge cases - in confuses the issue.... and the idiots.

 

[Stacyhs]

Marj gropes trump cutout at rally

When you're a celebrity, they just let you do it! You can do anything!

 

[Random]

True and true, but lets not get tied up with edge cases - in confuses the issue.... and the idiots.

But the edge cases give lie to the whole "there are only two genders" thing. She is trying to claim the backing of science, but the science doesn't actually back her.

 

[Distracted1]

She is telling trans people they shouldn't exist. In fact she's saying they don't exist - they are mistaken. To me, that's a pretty hateful message.

Meanwhile she claims to know the mind of God.

She is saying no such thing. She is neither denying their existence- nor telling them they should not exist.

 

[wareyin]

She is saying no such thing. She is neither denying their existence- nor telling them they should not exist.

She literally says they're just pretending. It's been quoted on this page, but for those who get confused about basic things like flags being symbols this is probably too hard to keep track of.

 

[BobTheCoward]

She literally says they're just pretending. It's been quoted on this page, but for those who get confused about basic things like flags being symbols this is probably too hard to keep track of.

But you don't cease to exist because you are pretending.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Nope, I don't! While there are two sexes, sex is not the same as gender.

Sex is a biological construct, a physiological state.

Since Greene invoked science, it's important to point out what the science actually is.

I think it's important to drive the science home since she invoked science and the fundamentalist component of her supporters are working hard to confuse the science on this (and nearly every) issue. And there aren't just two human sexes. And there is just one way to be something other than strictly male or female. There is not even one way to be female or male biologically.

Even if you try a semantic trick of saying there are just two sexes but some people mix them that still contradicts what the right ring wants to believe.

And the Bible says the animals were created male and female and many believe that to be strictly true, but that isn't true either. Across nature there are creatures that are hermaphrodite all their life, sexless, all female species, species that change sex during their life, multiple sexes, some fungi even have hundreds of sexes.


And a brief interjection to this exchange:

two is just the lowest number at which sex works. but many species have more than two sexes.

Bacteria engage in plasmid exchange which serves one of the purposes of sex and they don't have sexes.

Well, wouldn't hermaphrodites possibly qualify as a third? They're at least something of a hybrid.

True and true, but lets not get tied up with edge cases - in confuses the issue.... and the idiots.

 

[Distracted1]

She literally says they're just pretending. It's been quoted on this page, but for those who get confused about basic things like flags being symbols this is probably too hard to keep track of.

"pretending" is a reasonable interpretation of a man/woman behaving in such a way as to attempt to give the impression that they are a gender other than what they are.

"refusing" is also a reasonable description of someone insisting that they are a gender different from what they are.

These are not hateful, nor discriminotory descriptors. They represent an outlook that is opposed to the agenda pushed by many trans-folk, but they are hardly outside of mainstream ideology. One could argue that calling them "hateful" or "vile" is such a transparent attempt to mischaracterize the sentiments based upon an agenda, that those arguments are just as kooky as a "jewish space laser"

 

[Steve]

She literally says they're just pretending. It's been quoted on this page, but for those who get confused about basic things like flags being symbols this is probably too hard to keep track of.

But you don't cease to exist because you are pretending.

Who, in wareyin's post, is pretending?