The Jan. 6 Investigation

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I don't know what the plans are. But I was thinking the Dems might play this up annually, and try to make it a national day of remembrance. Basically an annual, "Hate the GOP Day" or something like that.

At least through 2024, that is. Why not?

Of course, the reason for doing so would not be political. ;)
 
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Be Wary, be wary of the 6th of January, Big Lie, Insurrection and Plot.
We see no reason, why Republican treason, Should ever be forgot!
 
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I've never understood why people make so much of anniversaries. Why does it matter that it's exactly X years since a great victory, or a great atrocity? Why must it be remembered, and every detail of it gone over again, and the people responsible for it be praised or blamed yet again? It first struck me as ridiculous during the Irish troubles, when idiots marched to commemorate some great victory of their ancestors over their neighbours' ancestors that took place centuries earlier, inflaming passions and resentments that should have been long forgotten. But it seems to be human nature.

I can't imagine the anniversary of this particular momentous event going by without it being remembered for at least as long as there are people who were alive when it happened, whatever their political affiliation. It is one of the most extraordinary things that has occurred in the history of the US.
 
Pixel42 said:
I can't imagine the anniversary of this particular momentous event going by without it being remembered for at least as long as there are people who were alive when it happened, whatever their political affiliation. It is one of the most extraordinary things that has occurred in the history of the US.
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Quite frankly, it doesn't register on my radar any more than an entire summer of protest, looting, and other social unrest. Far less so, actually. Also takes a backseat to Covid.
 
Pixel42 said:
I've never understood why people make so much of anniversaries. Why does it matter that it's exactly X years since a great victory, or a great atrocity? Why must it be remembered, and every detail of it gone over again, and the people responsible for it be praised or blamed yet again?
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Why miss a political opportunity, in this case? At least that is the logic as I see it.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Be Wary, be wary of the 6th of January, Big Lie, Insurrection and Plot.
We see no reason, why Republican treason, Should ever be forgot!
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That really was a similar event, of course - a failed attempt to overthrow a legitimate government, though it differs in that Guy Fawkes and his friends did have some genuine grievances. And we all know that the day and month of that (though not of course the year) have proved to be "utterly and even maddeningly memorable". ;)
 
"Will the investigation be good for the Dems" discussion is the sort of nihilism that is the larger problem. It allows the GOP to ignore the moral dimension of the actual conduct by framing it as an event to be managed.

Sure, it is something to be considered, but US political coverage engages in way too much of this sort of cynical appraisal. It is one thing, still bad, when talking about, say, the optics of a social spending program, but when used w/r/t a coup attempt is just beyond insane.
 
Yes but "The facts are on the Democrat's side.... therefore if you aren't an anti-facts Proudly Wrong idiot troll you're just biased for the Democrats and it's all political" is the narrative they've created and sold a lot of people on.

They have successfully made not being intentionally and proudly wrong into a negative political bias. Even acknowledging the exists of facts as a concept just means you're just "biased for the Democrats" in their twisted narrative. We can't make that not true just by recognizing it isn't very good place to be.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Yes but "The facts are on the Democrat's side.... therefore if you aren't an anti-facts Proudly Wrong idiot troll you're just biased for the Democrats and it's all political" is the narrative they've created and sold a lot of people on.

They have successfully made not being intentionally and proudly wrong into a negative political bias. Even acknowledging the exists of facts as a concept just means you're just "biased for the Democrats" in their twisted narrative. We can't make that not true just by recognizing it isn't very good place to be.
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Recognizing the problem is a first step.

The way to make it not so is to push actual journalism rather than opinion journalism. ProPublica is out there. If people who are erstwhile liberals took their NYT subscription and gave that $$ to ProPublica things might begin to change. A world where ProPublica is the best funded news org is a better world.
 
The Democrats tell us that they are planning to go public with the investigation "in the spring." I'm soooooo glad this is moving right along. At this pace, we'll get close to indictments right about the time that Republicans take control of Congress in January 2023, at which point of course everything will come to a screeching halt.

It must be a requirement for being a Democrat in Congress that one's spine must be surgically removed.
 
shemp said:
It must be a requirement for being a Democrat in Congress that one's spine must be surgically removed.
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I mean, 2 of the 9 committee members are Republicans and whatever else you might say about Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger, this is not a spineless move on their part.
 
Upchurch said:
I mean, 2 of the 9 committee members are Republicans and whatever else you might say about Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger, this is not a spineless move on their part.
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Agreed. This has nothing to do with being 'spineless'. The J6C is far more aware of where things stand in the investigation than any of us. They want to be sure they've got every piece of evidence in place as much as possible so they can present a good case to the DOJ if that's what the evidence shows should be done.
 
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I mean, 2 of the 9 committee members are Republicans and whatever else you might say about Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger, this is not a spineless move on their part.
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"2 of the 9". Dems will threaten to pack a court over such matters. Clown show, political theater.
 
shemp said:
The Democrats tell us that they are planning to go public with the investigation "in the spring." I'm soooooo glad this is moving right along. At this pace, we'll get close to indictments right about the time that Republicans take control of Congress in January 2023, at which point of course everything will come to a screeching halt.
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I am not a legal expert...

But I think if they get to the indictment stage by the end of 2022, I think the Department of Justice then takes over the prosecution, with the role of the committee done by that time.

That's not too say their timing is perfect. I have heard some people suggest that they would be better to issue interim reports before the big "final" report as a way to keep the public from getting overloaded with a big information dump (that might cause some details to be lost).
 
The unofficial Jan 6th commission strategy might be exactly to focus on publicizing the crimes of as many Republicans and their supporters as possible instead of getting a few referred to DOJ, and have the midterms become a referendum on: " do you want a reckoning for these people? Yes or No ?"
 
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"2 of the 9". Dems will threaten to pack a court over such matters. Clown show, political theater.
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Upchurch said:
…do you even know what you’re talking about?
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The committee is a joke, as far as impartiality goes. As I say, it is theater. What a coincidence that they have announced that their "interim" report will appear shortly before midterm elections.

Republicans played the whole thing stupidly, I suppose. But the fact that Pelosi had the final say on who would be on the committee, that didn't exactly make for a fair scenario.

So you end up with 7 Dems, and two "Republicans" who broke solidarity with the party. Might as well be all Dems on the committee. How would you view the validity if it were all Republicans?
 
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