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The Heiwa Challenge

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bill smith said:
Did you ever wonder why we did not see any of the floor pans come flying out of the building along with the steel girders ?
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No more than I wonder why pages don't come flying out of a telephone book when you squeeze it. It has always been quite obvious that the floor pans and the concrete bonded to them mostly fell straight down.

No steel girders came flying out of the building. The ones that were propelled horizontally during the collapse were on the exterior of the building to begin with.

Or any rebar mesh from the floor reinforcing. There was 110 ACRES of each of these two items in each building.
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No, you are mistaken about that.

Especially the floor pans that the floor concrete was poured into. I believe there were 48 per floor- times 110 equals more than 5,000 of these pans. Believe it or not...there don't seem to be any in the wreckage on the ground either..and virtually no rebar...Any ideas ?
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They fell mostly straight down and were broken into small pieces by the impact with the ground, forming a considerable portion of the 5-7 stories of compacted debris within the towers' footprints.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
A W Smith said:
since the pans were underneath the floor. And the structural steel for the most part fell on top of it with the exception of the floor trusses. Why would you expect to see it laying on top of the pile in the image I posted above?
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If it is corrugated iron as I know corrugated iron and there were 5,000 huge pieces in the collapse I would expect to see it abolutely everywhere. The same goes for the rebar.
 
bill smith said:
I aleady got the answer from AW thanks anyway.
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You never answered my original question, you just kept changing the subject:

How much of it do you think should still be in "pan" form post collapse? How would explosive demolition differ in the this amount versus a typical collapse?
 
bill smith said:
If it is corrugated iron as I know corrugated iron and there were 5,000 huge pieces in the collapse I would expect to see it abolutely everywhere. The same goes for the rebar.
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Psssst, deck comes in 36" or 24" wide pieces.
 
Newtons Bit said:
You never answered my original question, you just kept changing the subject:

How much of it do you think should still be in "pan" form post collapse? How would explosive demolition differ in the this amount versus a typical collapse?
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Personally I think that basicly the whole lot- rebar and floorpans were mostly evaporated by the nanothermite that was impregnated into the concrrete floors. But that is another subject.
 
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bill smith said:
Myriad..see it in slow moton... The top block falls and impacts the top of part A. The concrete floors meet and explode and the columns in both parts are the first next thing to reach their respctive next floors. Of course they completely chew them up as teeth chew food. Not only that...the upper and lower teeth are meshing. Some pieces of floors are still janging off columns and getting caught up. Friction is increasing, the mass above is decreasing as it's former floors turn to loose rubble, much of which will all away to the sides.
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Hey Bill, even with the video in slow motion, it's still the same non-high speed camera. The mass above may appear to be decreasing but is it the lighter material or the heavier material blowing out to the sides?
 
Gamolon said:
So you mean to tell me that that floor truss seats that I circled in red in this photo...:
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...would the resist the weight of Part C coming down on them? The floor truss supports wouldn't shear off or bend downward releasing the concrete floor they supported?
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Well, if the truss seat connections fail (there are plenty per floor), the perimeter columns should remain intact, and big parts of the floors.

But, please, the weight of Part C is not coming down on them. Only an element of part C contacts an element of part A and you should ask; what happens to the elements? Do they break or is a load on an element transmitted via any connections? What happens then? When would a connection break? Etc, etc.
 
tfk said:
This is unexpected & great news.

Please answer these questions directly. Succinctly.

"Yes" or "no" for each question. Embellish as you wish.

1. Is the $1 million prize is available for providing this theoretical proof.

2. What does "selected individuals" mean? I would very much like to get into this club & offer my proof.

3. You must prove that the funds are available. Please arrange to put them into escrow for the duration of your challenge.

4. Who judges? Since you are both unqualified and biased, we MUST have INDEPENDENT, QUALIFIED individual or panel to make this judgment.

5. Are there any other stipulations about to arise?

tom
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1. Yes! Not part of The Heiwa Challenge, though.

2. "Yes" or "no", i.e. yes I read what you say but no I cannot answer it with a "yes" or "no". Please ask questions that can be answered with "Yes" or "no", as requested. What club are you talking about? The Heiwa Challenge fan club?

3. What is the question?

4. See 2. But, yes, I am of course the judge. Your further comment is noted, though. Pls provide names of qualified judges.

5. No. Just get working on your structure or theory.

I am glad that you ask these questions. So you admit that NIST, Bazant, Seffen, Mackey and other clowns so far have not managed to provide the necessary info/structure/theory? Yes or no?
 
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bill smith said:
NIST has no analysis for the collapse sequence at all. Purdue are shills as I have shown you before and can show you again. What are the Berkeley simulations ? Nope- you guys are done.
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This thread is so funny,better than anything on tv.Thanks Bill.
 
beachnut said:
Why, because you lack engineering skills to understand his post? Explain each point you failed to understand which you call long and rambling.

"yuur" skills are limited to cut and paste, and posting dirt dumb truther videos. You got "nohing"; or do you have nothing?

What engineering school did you go to?
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Yes Bill,which noble seat of learning did you attend?
 
Myriad said:
I've taken the liberty of creating a diagram illustrating your new analysis of the collapse dynamics following collapse initiation:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/130124a2824faa4dc9.jpg[/qimg]


I do not find it convincing.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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As a matter of interest what did you see to be the main problems with that analysis ?
 
Does anyone else get the feeling that Heiwa is at the end of his not so illustrious shipping career and is due to retire?

Do you also get the impression that Heiwa and his lap dog Bill are in PM/email communication. Bill Smith isnt intelligent enough to ask veiled engineering questions so needs some prompting from his master. Oh well, i suppose this is Heiwas thread, Heiwas ego - let Bill derail this one too with more stupid. End game is FAIL.
 
Jackanory said:
Does anyone else get the feeling that Heiwa is at the end of his not so illustrious shipping career and is due to retire?

Do you also get the impression that Heiwa and his lap dog Bill are in PM/email communication. Bill Smith isnt intelligent enough to ask veiled engineering questions so needs some prompting from his master. Oh well, i suppose this is Heiwas thread, Heiwas ego - let Bill derail this one too with more stupid. End game is FAIL.
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Indeed. Heiwa's challenge is flawed. An EPIC FAIL.
 
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