The Gospel

Kathy...

We haven't been formally introduced, although I have been reading your posts for the past, three weeks. During that time, I have debated with myself whether or not I would adress you and your beliefs personally; my thinking being that you already had enough individuals here taking you to task over the contents of your posts without my joining in the fray. The more and more I read of your sanctimonious and self-righteous preaching, however, the more and more my restraint slipped until I reached the point of feeling compelled to speak my mind.

Just so you know in advance what my stance is on the topic of faith and religion, I am an agnostic with a strong disposition towards atheism. I must also confess that I harbor a deep disdain bordering on contempt for the religions of this world and their adherents who, unable to practice and pursue their own spiritual needs in the privacy of their own hearts, homes and places of worship, find themselves mandated by their god to spread his propaganda to the heathens, sinners and non-believers of this world. You are one such individual, and you have chosen this forum as your pulpit.

It never ceases to amaze me how you feign ignorance as to the reason why you are treated with such stern words and harsh reprimands, knowing full well that the audience you are adressing, for the most part, does not believe in the validity of your chosen faith... or in any other of the myriad mystical, mythical and, above all, man-made belief systems concocted thousands of years ago by frightened and ignorant men desperate to make sense of a world that they were, at the time, ill-equiped to understand.

Allow me to reiterate the above statement as bluntly as possible for you... to prevent any misinterpretation on your part: you are dealing with a bunch of skeptics, agnostics and athiests. We deal in the real... the tangible... that which can be proven or disproven through facts and evidence through the use of logic and reason.

And what do you bring to the table? Quotes and passages and parables from a book that was outdated almost the moment it was written. A text that is so riddled with contradictions, vague prophesies and unbelievable, historical accounts that it has created thousands of seperate Christian-based faiths and sub-faiths... each one divided by sometimes minor... sometimes major... differing interpretations of a what one would think would be the immutable word of god. What makes you think that we should give more credence to your particular brand of spiritual blatherings than to the rest of religious sects of the world... each one also claiming to speak with absolute authority for their own personal version of the divine creator...?

The reaction you have received here on this message board to date would be no different than if you were to attempt peddling your theological ramblings in a Jewish, Muslim or any other non-Christian forum. Just try to imagine the reception a "devout" agnostic like myself would receive were I to log onto an exclusive, born-again Christian message board, knowing perfectly well just what kind of mindset the members there would be sharing, and "preach" my own, personal philosophy and belief that there is no god. I would expect, and deserve, the kind of reaction you have brought upon yourself here.

I want you to know that I purposefully held off posting this for the past, 2 days... I actually felt guilty for feeling the need to join in on the verbal drubbing you have been receiving. But the last straw, however, was hearing you offering to "pray" for Roadtoad. Do you have any idea how condescending and sanctimonious you came across to someone who has already seen enough sorrow and suffering in regards to his friend's child dying to cause him to re-evaluate his faith? Your intentions may have been good, Kathy, but there is saying that I am sure you have heard before dealing with a certain road to hell and what it is paved with....

Jen
 
I have always believed the Bible was true but not until the past year and a half have I really experienced it. I am now what people would call a Holy Spirit filled believer.

And this is what Milton called "cloistered virtues" in Paradise Lost. How difficult is it to fight temptation when you've never been tempted? How far a stretch is it for someone who has ALWAYS believed the Bible was true to believe they are now "experiencing it?"

I am what people call, a Holy Spirit doubter.



Once someone comes to faith in Christ and the babtism of the Holy Spirit happens, something happens to make God's Word come alive. It is something that is hard to put into words but I now thrive on it. There are so many applicable lessons in scripture.

Yes, and once someone anonymously deposits 1,000,000 dollars in my bank account and I begin gathering interest on that money, something happens to make my checkbook come alive. It would certainly be difficult for me to put into words how I would feel about that, but I'm certain I could thrive on it! For the record, baptism is spelled with a P.

And what applicable lessons have YOU found in scripture? Can you quote any from Leviticus?


I would probably best describe it as powerful insights that I can use in my own daily life. There are things I have seen and expereiced with God that I can honestly say He has shown me He is true to His word. I won't go into specifics but I can tell you when I read the Bible now I do see how powerful God's Word is. How else can we know and experience God but by knowing Him through His Word?

Powerful insights, huh? Maybe you can tell us how we're supposed to get around that pesky HUMAN law stopping us from killing someone for working on the Sabbath? Maybe you can tell us how to get around that pesky law about child abuse when we're NOT sparing the rod? Maybe you can tell us what God has against dwarves, or how he can be an advocate of slavery?

I'll tell you what - maybe you can tell me what (according to scripture) Jesus's LAST WORDS were? You would think that this would be a pretty cut and dry question seeing as how Jesus didn't have a script (or too much time). Go ahead - tell me what words (according to scripture) Jesus uttered just before he died.

If you can't answer questions straightforward, you'll come across looking like someone Zakur posted in another thread:

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"And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money." (Exodus 21:20-21)

Got that? It's OK to murder slaves so long as their death is lingering.

God is love.
 
I have always believed the Bible was true but not until the past year and a half have I really experienced it. I am now what people would call a Holy Spirit filled believer. Once someone comes to faith in Christ and the babtism of the Holy Spirit happens, something happens to make God's Word come alive. It is something that is hard to put into words but I now thrive on it. There are so many applicable lessons in scripture.


So if I introduced you to a Muslim friend of mine who says that she knows that the Quran is true because when she became filled with Allah's love the holy scripture came alive to her, then you would accept her belief as being as valid, authentic, and true as your beliefs?
 
Hi Delphi, good questions all. When I was turned back around to live a life based on faith, God really helped me see the truth. Yes I do believe there is a devil out there running around deceiving people. But now I am no longer one of those and have the peace and understanding in Christ to discern things. I would call it seperating the truth from the lies.

Isn't that exactly what someone tricked by the devil would say?

I realized a year and a half ago that God is not the author of confusion and now based on believing Him through His word my life has changed for the better.

God isn't the author of confusion? Why did he stick us in a creation with dinosaur bones apparently millions of years old and stars over a billion years old? Why is our DNA almost identical to monkey DNA? Why is there no evidence of this world wide flood His Book talks so much about? Why does The Bible describe a flat world when we live in a round one? If we're supposed to believe unquestionably, and He's not just trying to confuse us, why isn't The Bible more obviously true? Why does it have basic facts about the universe totally wrong?

So what have we learned, boys and girls? We've learned that Kathy thinks The Bible is true because God told her, and she believes God told her because it says so in The Bible. The circle of logic is complete.
 
"And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money." (Exodus 21:20-21)

Got that? It's OK to murder slaves so long as their death is lingering.

God is love.
Isn't it odd that the aspects and virtues of god mirror the culture and virtues of those who tell us what the virtues of god are?

For cultures with slaves god is ok with slaves. For cultures with multiple wives god is ok with polygamy. For cultures who are against adultery it is ok to kill adulterers.

God's word is very convenient for cultural sentiment.
 
Isn't it odd that the aspects and virtues of god mirror the culture and virtues of those who tell us what the virtues of god are?

Beg yer pardon, RF, but didn't you get your "o" words mixed up there? I think you meant "obvious" instead of "odd." You're welcome. ;)

...oh, and :clap:
 
And this is what Milton called "cloistered virtues" in Paradise Lost. How difficult is it to fight temptation when you've never been tempted?

[digression]Ah, Mark Twain and "The Man That Corrupted Hadleyburg." I wish more of Twain's works were required reading for U.S. schoolchildren.[/digression]
 
I'll tell you what - maybe you can tell me what (according to scripture) Jesus's LAST WORDS were? You would think that this would be a pretty cut and dry question seeing as how Jesus didn't have a script (or too much time). Go ahead - tell me what words (according to scripture) Jesus uttered just before he died. :
"It is finished!" As it is written in John 19:30...Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.
 
"It is finished!" As it is written in John 19:30...Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.



Still passive-aggressively choosing what posts you respond to, eh?

Man, I bet you don't even realize how dishonest you come off looking.

How about you respond to Roadtoad? Or me? Or Orangutango?
 
"It is finished!" As it is written in John 19:30...Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

Not "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me" (Matthew 27:46) or "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit?" (Luke 23:46)
 
Still passive-aggressively choosing what posts you respond to, eh?

Man, I bet you don't even realize how dishonest you come off looking.

How about you respond to Roadtoad? Or me? Or Orangutango?
Hi FS, I'm sorry I haven't had much time the past couple of days to respond to some of what you asked recently. I am putting some thought into your question on explaining how I experience God each day.
The biggest thing is I feel connected just pondering things in scripture. Jesus says if we will abide in Him we will always be satisfied. Abiding in Christ is simply staying in the Word daily! This is the main stay in experiencing God. There are other ways too, but I won't go into that right now.
 
The biggest thing is I feel connected just pondering things in scripture. Jesus says if we will abide in Him we will always be satisfied. Abiding in Christ is simply staying in the Word daily! This is the main stay in experiencing God. There are other ways too, but I won't go into that right now.
And some people feel connected practicing yoga, smoking pot, meditating, camping, star gazing, bird watching, swimming, hiking, blah blah blah. Your post is non responsive. It is meaningless drivel. One can find the same air fairy nonsense in just about all religions. Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Bahia, etc. Why is yours special? I used to think I was connected and I convinced others to be connected. I had 4 years of seminary including missionary training and two years of a full time mission, I felt connected. It's just emotion, intuition and perception. All fallible senses.
 
Hi FS, I'm sorry I haven't had much time the past couple of days to respond to some of what you asked recently. I am putting some thought into your question on explaining how I experience God each day.
The biggest thing is I feel connected just pondering things in scripture. Jesus says if we will abide in Him we will always be satisfied. Abiding in Christ is simply staying in the Word daily! This is the main stay in experiencing God. There are other ways too, but I won't go into that right now.

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The biggest thing is I feel connected just pondering things in scripture. Jesus says if we will abide in Him we will always be satisfied. Abiding in Christ is simply staying in the Word daily! This is the main stay in experiencing God. There are other ways too, but I won't go into that right now.
Kurious_kathy, let me introduce you to kurious_karimah. I know you two will get along just fine, you have so much in common.

كريس_كريمة;1486665 said:
The biggest thing is I feel connected just pondering things in scripture. Allah says if we will abide in Him we will always be satisfied. Abiding in Allah is simply staying in the Word daily! This is the main stay in experiencing Allah. There are other ways too, but I won't go into that right now.
 
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Kurious Kathy has commanded a lot of our attention over the last months. In fact, I think she is addicted to attention.

I have known other Kathys. In fact I worked with one for more than eleven years, a woman who felt obliged to slap me in the face with Jesus on a nearly daily basis. She and Kathy have a lot in common.

There is a management maxim that there is always 20% of the staff that requires 80% of the manager’s attention. Sound familiar? Kathy’s Gospel thread is in the top 30 most replied to; she has posted only 430 times since joining. She invariably phrases her comments in ways that are confrontational and yet so vague. Her refusal to proofread or otherwise make her comments more readable is an example of her passive-aggressive style, as is her steadfast refusal to answer questions without resorting to pointing to the bible, while, at the same time, complaining that she is trying to do so.

Kathy thinks nothing of blaming victims, insulting people who ask straightforward questions, and sidestepping issues. I believe that is because she does not care in the least for other people. Or, to be fair, maybe just not people outside her family. She is so intent on saving mankind, that she is unkind. And yet, loving-kindness is what she attributes to the god she so enthusiastically espouses.

The reader of this post will notice that I am not addressing Kathy. Indeed, it has been demonstrated that it is of no use to address Kathy. I have a suggestion to make in dealing with her.

My suggestion is that we try to rephrase Kathy’s posts, instead of replying to them.

For example, Kathy wrote:

Hi FS, I'm sorry I haven't had much time the past couple of days to respond to some of what you asked recently. I am putting some thought into your question on explaining how I experience God each day.
The biggest thing is I feel connected just pondering things in scripture. Jesus says if we will abide in Him we will always be satisfied. Abiding in Christ is simply staying in the Word daily! This is the main stay in experiencing God. There are other ways too, but I won't go into that right now.

My rephrasing:

“Hi, FS. I’m sorry that I’ve replied to other posts while not to yours. I am trying to decide how I can reply to the question I want asked rather than the one you did ask.

The biggest thing is that if I just read the scriptures uncritically, I don’t have to think about how I and other people can work to improve our lives. Jesus says if we will abide in Him we will always be satisfied, therefore I don’t have to be conscious of other people and the knowledge that has been accrued in the real world. If I do that, I don’t have to think. This is the mainstay of being a blind follower. There are other ways too, but I am too busy trying to persuade other people to be blind followers as well to bother stating them.”
No reply to her comments. No commentary. Just rephrasing.

In some cases, perhaps, running her comments through spellcheck without rephrasing, just to see what happens.

I also suggest that if after several examples of this she has not changed her approach, that we simply stop responding to her. At this point we will know that she is trolling, and not worth the effort. Drag out the Kittens and Recipes brigade.
 

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