The Gospel

[delphi_ote]

Everyone already knows I do refer much to what scripture tells us is true but even you FS have numerous times asked me to not reference scripture.

Why is scripture true? How do you know this?

 

[Genesius]

If you find some that you would really like me to try to answer you are more than welcome to re-post them.

I'll take you up on that, since you didn't answer my post in the "Why is God's knowledge so limited?" thread. Here's the post:

Think about it, we are all descendants of Noah. Wow!, look how much the world has grown.

Think about it, wow! In just a few thousand years a small group of humans differentiated into black, white, asiatic, amerind, and all the subclassifications within those broad designations. So tell me, KK, what caused the human race to undergo such rapid diversification?

In the dark of the night, when all is quiet and still, does the thought ever cross your mind that the wonderous variety of human ethnic types is much better explained by the long timeline of evolution rather than trying to cram everything into just a few thousand years?

 

[Ladewig]

If you find some that you would really like me to try to answer you are more than welcome to re-post them.

If we are numbering them, then

3) I'll expand on Delphi_ote's: why is the Bible more accurate or believable than other holy scriptures such as the Koran or Bhagvat Gita? Have you read those other scriptures?

4) Do you still believe that the posters on this board are offended by the Gospel?

 

[Dcdrac]

And the first Book of Gerbila states the Gerbil burped and all creation was born..........let there be burp

 

[delphi_ote]

I don't think we need to ask any other questions except, "How do we know the bible is true?" Kathy uses it as the authority for all of her answers. The rest of this conversation will just go around and around like a top until we establish this.

 

[bluess]

Because the bible tells me so?

Because my pastor tells me so?

I'm fairly sure that Kathy's sources of validation will lead to more questions.

 

[delphi_ote]

Because the bible tells me so?

Because my pastor tells me so?

I'm fairly sure that Kathy's sources of validation will lead to more questions.

We'll track those questions down as they come up. But she's got the magical "the Bible says so and the Bible is absolute truth" argument now to respond to any other questions.

So how do you know the bible is true, Kathy?

 

[kurious_kathy]

Why is scripture true? How do you know this?

I have always believed the Bible was true but not until the past year and a half have I really experienced it. I am now what people would call a Holy Spirit filled believer. Once someone comes to faith in Christ and the babtism of the Holy Spirit happens, something happens to make God's Word come alive. It is something that is hard to put into words but I now thrive on it. There are so many applicable lessons in scripture.
I would probably best describe it as powerful insights that I can use in my own daily life. There are things I have seen and expereiced with God that I can honestly say He has shown me He is true to His word. I won't go into specifics but I can tell you when I read the Bible now I do see how powerful God's Word is. How else can we know and experience God but by knowing Him through His Word?

 

[delphi_ote]

I have always believed the Bible was true but not until the past year and a half have I really experienced it. I am now what people would call a Holy Spirit filled believer. Once someone comes to faith in Christ and the babtism of the Holy Spirit happens, something happens to make God's Word come alive. It is something that is hard to put into words but I now thrive on it. There are so many applicable lessons in scripture.
I would probably best describe it as powerful insights that I can use in my own daily life. There are things I have seen and expereiced with God that I can honestly say He has shown me He is true to His word. I won't go into specifics but I can tell you when I read the Bible now I do see how powerful God's Word is. How else can we know and experience God but by knowing Him through His Word?

How do you know that you are experiencing and knowing God and not some delusion or trick of the Devil?

 

[GregC]

How else can we know and experience God but by knowing Him through His Word?

4th of July barbeque, my house. Face to face, over a beer and some light conversation about the 69 Mets. Thats how I can get to know and experience him.

I buy the beer, he picks up the pretzels. We have mustard.

 

[Ducky]

I have always believed the Bible was true but not until the past year and a half have I really experienced it. I am now what people would call a Holy Spirit filled believer. Once someone comes to faith in Christ and the babtism of the Holy Spirit happens, something happens to make God's Word come alive. It is something that is hard to put into words but I now thrive on it. There are so many applicable lessons in scripture.
I would probably best describe it as powerful insights that I can use in my own daily life. There are things I have seen and expereiced with God that I can honestly say He has shown me He is true to His word. I won't go into specifics but I can tell you when I read the Bible now I do see how powerful God's Word is. How else can we know and experience God but by knowing Him through His Word?

What things in your life? How? In what ways every day do you experience God? Please explain this and provide evidence it is God's revelation.

What lessons? Like the one where we learn your God is willing to kill a man's family and make him suffer on a bet? Don't give me the "Satan did it, not God" crap. He allowed it, he is complicit.

Or what about the lesson that we can learn when God tells the Israelites to rape women and kill babies? I personally am amused by learning the lesson that Jesus throws tantrums on fig trees.

As to your other response to me above, it is a horrible display of pity fishing. You came to a skeptic's forum to post scripture and try to win converts for Jesus. I have no sympathy for you being told you are not welcome, nor do I think you feeling persecuted is reasonable. You started all this. You cannot (again, like you have so many times in the past) play the "persecuted minority Christian" card to gain any sympathy and expect to be taken seriously.

What you fail to realize despite being repeatedly told this on the forum, is that you have no evidence for any of the wild claims you make and you have no way to "prove" God - which is what you are out to do. You are here to try to justify whatever you are feeling about your religion, and you are not going to be met with anyone who will take you seriously because you have the communication skills of a 12 year old. Your lack of english skills is appalling to a degree that is hard to express in the written word. However, this isn't even the worst of it.

You not answering questions is not due to you being overwhelmed by sheer number of posts. I have observed you online responding to threads where you have not been cornered into having to answer a question that is uncomfortable for you while ignoring other threads where a direct challenge to your beliefs waits for your response. This displays a rather overt passive aggressiveness that I am not so sure you realize you perpetrate. When others have posted in the thread you didn't want to answer a question in, you then go back and figure "well it's been long enough, no one will notice" and you respond to a different post. You learned to do this after repeatedly being told you don't listen or answer. Unfortunately, it's only a small change to your old tricks. You then claim you can't keep up and you want to answer everything but can't - this is an obvious lie. Unlike real time chat, you can scroll through and read, and you can respond in any way you wish, with spell checking and grammatical checks if you really want.

I am beginning to think you are not as idiotic as you appear in your posts. It isn't simple mistakes you make, or overwhelming amounts of posts you get lost in. It is simple passive aggresiveness on your part to maintain your position. You are holding beliefs so firmly that you cannot and will not face anything that counters those beliefs. This is evidenced in my little expiriment to bring the same question to you over and over while you posted in other threads until you answered a question. You called what I did trying to control you in a rather pitiful ad hom attack, and did not see the point to the whole excersize: you avoided a question you didn't like to such a point that you attacked me by claiming I was attempting to control you before you would even consider answering it.

You've called us heretics on your other forum. You've commented on the herecy. You have blamed the victim for being beaten, you have blamed the cancer patient for their cancer, and you have displayed a horrible lack of comprehension about any post that has responded to you in kind, not only trying to ask you tone down your preaching and discuss things rationally, but to also point out where you have made egregious errors of logic. You listen to none of this with any real intention of heeding any advice. In fact, you only change your tune when cornered on all fronts.

You are not someone that is well spoken enough, smart enough, skilled in debate enough, kind enough, or level headed enough to represent your religion in any way that will help it.

In fact, all you have done here is perpetuate a stereotype of an ignorant nasty fundamentalist preaching with no heed for surroundings or feelings.

It is a shame that Christians like Kellyj, Kittynh, and other very much respected Christians on this forum have to be embarrassed by your antics. While they represent their beliefs with dignity, respect and humility you represent your beliefs with arrogance, intellectual dishonesty and frothing at the mouth ravings.

The fact that you are tilting at a windmill is something you are so blind to that it is almost sad.

Tilt away, Quixote. We're laughing at you, not with you.






edited to correct mistake in spelling.

 

[kurious_kathy]

How do you know that you are experiencing and knowing God and not some delusion or trick of the Devil?

Hi Delphi, good questions all. When I was turned back around to live a life based on faith, God really helped me see the truth. Yes I do believe there is a devil out there running around deceiving people. But now I am no longer one of those and have the peace and understanding in Christ to discern things. I would call it seperating the truth from the lies.
I don't have to prove anything but I will say I no longer live in fear or doubt like I use too. I realized a year and a half ago that God is not the author of confusion and now based on believing Him through His word my life has changed for the better.

 

[Nex]

...good questions all...

Waffles

A basic waffle recipe. You can cook the whole batch in under 30 minutes.

• 2 cupsflour
• 1 1/2 cups milk
• 2 eggs (separated)
• 2 tablespoons sugar
• 3 teaspoons baking powder
• 1/2 teaspoon salt
• 6 tablespoons butter (melted)

6 servings
40 minutes -- 10 mins prep​

1. Sift flour, sugar, salt and baking powder into mixing bowl.
2. Beat egg yolks well and add milk, continue beating slowly adding the sifted flour mixture, beating until completely smooth.
3. Mix in melted butter.
4. Beat egg whites until stiff and gently fold into batter.
5. Cook in preheated waffle maker.

(recipe courtesy RecipeZaar.com)

 

[Dr Adequate]

How else can we know and experience God but by knowing Him through His Word?

Well, if he actually existed, then we could know and experience him whenever he chose. In the absence of an actual god, I guess a book about him is, as you point out, all the knowledge or experience you can get of this fictional character.

 

[Roadtoad]

Waffles

A basic waffle recipe. You can cook the whole batch in under 30 minutes.

• 2 cupsflour
• 1 1/2 cups milk
• 2 eggs (separated)
• 2 tablespoons sugar
• 3 teaspoons baking powder
• 1/2 teaspoon salt
• 6 tablespoons butter (melted)

6 servings
40 minutes -- 10 mins prep​

1. Sift flour, sugar, salt and baking powder into mixing bowl.
2. Beat egg yolks well and add milk, continue beating slowly adding the sifted flour mixture, beating until completely smooth.
3. Mix in melted butter.
4. Beat egg whites until stiff and gently fold into batter.
5. Cook in preheated waffle maker.

(recipe courtesy RecipeZaar.com)

That's a great recipe. I've used it before.

 

[RandFan]

I have always believed the Bible was true but not until the past year and a half have I really experienced it. I am now what people would call a Holy Spirit filled believer. Once someone comes to faith in Christ and the baptism of the Holy Spirit happens, something happens to make God's Word come alive. It is something that is hard to put into words but I now thrive on it. There are so many applicable lessons in scripture.

I would probably best describe it as powerful insights that I can use in my own daily life. There are things I have seen and experienced with God that I can honestly say He has shown me He is true to His word. I won't go into specifics but I can tell you when I read the Bible now I do see how powerful God's Word is. How else can we know and experience God but by knowing Him through His Word?

Been there done that.

My spiritual witness propelled me to sell everything I owned and leave my family to teach others about Jesus Christ. I did this on a full time basis. During that time I knew many people who made great sacrifices so that they could also be in the service of god. I along with these people bore powerful testimonies to God's plan and his sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ.

It's all understandable from a psychological POV. These types of spiritual experiences are common in many cultures and theologies. Such experiences are powerful enough to cause people from all faiths to sacrifice their wealth, their happiness, their very lives for these "powerful insights".

In the end it's just emotion and the power of the human mind to see what it wants to see.

 

[Roadtoad]

*Sigh*

Once more, with feeling.

Let me try and get through to you, Kathy. Let me try and explain to you why you have so thoroughly pissed me off. Let me try and settle this once and for all, and make it clear that not only have you insulted my friends, but you've degraded and slandered me as well.

Fowl has tried to be civil with you. Others have as well, including Delphi_Ote, Spidey 13, JJ, Tim, Zep, and a whole host of people that I have come to respect. When you come here and listen, when you discuss, you are welcome here. People can deal with that, and people tend to be civil towards you. You have experienced this.

People have given you opportunity after opportunity to quit preaching and to act like an adult. You have refused. As Fowlsound has just pointed out, it's a sort of passive-agressive game you play. It's not that you lack comprehension, it's that you refuse to participate. You have assumed an elevated position, not one that you have earned, and you're preaching from the mountaintop to the benighted savages below. Funny thing, though; the savages recognize you for what you are, and are demanding answers.

Heaven forbid you should participate in a discussion: that would confer upon us equality. You're not interested in being anyone's equal. You want to be in a position of authority. Problem is that on a Skeptic's board, you will only gain authority when you demonstrate that you know what the f*** you're talking about. At present, you do not. If anything, with your refusal to answer questions, even to say that you don't know, demonstrates that you have no right to ANY authority.

I know this territory. I know it well. I was once like you. And every time, I got knocked on my @$$. And I had it coming.

Given the ages of your children, I'm surprised you still act this way. That you groove on the misery of others, in Jesus name, that you ascribe any good to the evil that you see happening around you, and you do so in Jesus name, tells me you know nothing of Jesus, and that you know even less about God. Your condescending attitude toward others, which is gaining you less and less sympathy, even on your own home board, is an affront.

I will repeat myself. I don't like to, but you don't leave me much of a choice. I came to this board, a devout evangelical, to LEARN. I came in realizing there was a risk that I could find out that everything I learned was false. I came in knowing that I ran the risk of learning that there was no God. If you are honest, you have to accept that possibility. In spite of the multiple times that I've read through the Bible, in spite of all I've read about the Christian faith, (and I'll be willing to bet my library will beat yours any day), I got to the point that I realized that I knew even less about God than when I started.

I came here to learn, Kathy. I came here because I wasn't getting the information I needed from the Church. Evil is not Good in Disguise. It's Evil. That's why we call it "Evil." Death and disease are Evil, Kathy. Suffering is Evil. Pain is Evil. I have a responsibility to stop that which is Evil. Either I take a stand and do what I can to stop Evil, or I get the hell out of the way of those who can and will. That, Kathy, is called "Ministry." That is what you were called to do when you accepted Christ. Either you stand and work to stop Evil, or you help those who can. Barring that, you get out of the way of those who work to stop Evil. If you will not do that, you have to accept the fact that you are participating in Evil, and that you are, perhaps, Evil yourself.

So, let's take a look at what you have done so far: you have condemned people who are taking a stand against Evil, and have even tried to suggest that God is using Evil to force someone to draw closer to Himself. I would go on beyond that, but I think with that slight bit of evidence, we've got a pretty good idea which direction you're going.

See, a God who would be worth worshiping, at least for me, would be the one who honors those who work to alleviate the pain and suffering of others. KellyJ is someone who is doing that. JJ has done that. Delphi_Ote is working towards doing that. Fowlsound has repeatedly jumped into the fray. Tim has done that, and is even doing it through his own suffering. Tricky has done it. Zep does it, continues to do it, and has tried to show others how to do it.

Ending suffering is a key component of what this board is about. The people here do so through a relentless search for Truth. That takes a remarkable amount of courage and compassion. I am honored that I'm able to spend time with people like that.

I don't have a lot of time left, but let me leave you with this: I am constantly overwhelmed by the good that is done by the people on this board. You're always looking for something wrong, something negative to beat them over the head with. Why should we listen to you, Kathy? What is there in what you say that would draw us to Jesus? Nothing that I can see.

 

[Pauliesonne]

Dr, Michael Shermer : Class, today we are going to learn how the bible actually came to be.

Kurious Kathy : uh.......

Dr, Michael Shermer : Will somebody wipe Kathy's mouth because she's drooling again.

Timmy : TTTTTIIIIIIIMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYY is smarter than her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Beleth]

The biggest tragedy is that KK will only read about 50 words total of fowlsound's and Roadtoad's last posts.

 

[RandFan]

It is a shame that Christians like Kellyj, Kittynh, and other very much respected Christians on this forum have to be embarrassed by your antics.

Thank you.