acbytesla
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He testified to that fact.
He testified to that fact.
psionl0
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My experience has been that if somebody says, "you can trust me, I'm a Christian", you should run.
acbytesla
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Mine too.
But that's not the point. The point is Hitler portrayed himself as a Christian to the masses and the sheep followed him. Sort of like Trump.
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As I said, it's a saying. The Milgram experiment shows that people will sacrifice their own moral principles to follow authority. And Christians and Muslims will do horrible things for Yahwe and Allah.
That is exactly what the charlatan Jesus did.
- Matthew 4:19 “Come, follow Me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.”
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Catfishers.
psionl0
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It was more the promises to end the dire poverty of Germans and make Germany a powerful nation that enticed the sheep to embrace him.
psionl0
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Maybe I should have added that this experience applies mostly when somebody wants to do business with you.
And they followed him BECAUSE of their christian beliefs... had it not been for those christian beliefs they would not have given him a moment's consideration... which goes to show that christianity is a catalyst for evil.
Moreover... Hitler killed no one... whether he was a christian for real or not he personally did not gas or shoot his millions of victims... he had christian believers who followed him do it for him.
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Yes ... exactly what the charlatan Jesus did... he inveigled and duped 12 rubes to leave their families unprotected and unprovided for and to go hoboing about with him doing his business of hoodwinking people.
- Luke 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
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It was only partially that. Hitler laid it all out with what he called Positive Christianity. He was advised by his close friend and Catholic and very antisemitic priest Bernhard Stempfle.
Article 24 of Hitler's National Socialist Programme of 1920 had endorsed what it termed "positive Christianity", but placed religion below party ideology by adding the caveat that it must not offend "the moral sense of the German race".[141] Nondenominational, the term could be variously interpreted, but allayed fears among Germany's Christian majority as to the oft-expressed anti-Christian convictions of large sections of the Nazi movement.[51] It further proposed a definition of a "positive Christianity" which could combat the "Jewish-materialistic spirit".[142]
Hitler said, I say: My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."
In a 1928 speech, Hitler said: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian."
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One should keep in mind that religions are whatever people want them to be. No one is actually listening to god. They are listening to their own inner daimon. I can't imagine someone like Hitler being a Christian, but I think the same thing about Trump. Still large Christian groups backed both.
They did not just embrace him... they embraced killing and maiming for him.... they embraced carting people into railway wagons like sheep and cattle and embraced driving them to concentration camps to be tortured and violated and finally herded into gas chambers to die a slow horrible death for him... were all the populations of those countries that helped him not christian???
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There was never any gods making any religion... right from their inception, religions were and are whatever people want them to be... and anyone following any religion to the letter is and was following what other people bamboozled them with.
Apologists want to befuddle people with this ruse of "not a true
- Matthew 4:19 “Come, follow Me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.”
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Yes religion is not the only artifice devised by humans to control and herd other humans... but religion is clearly one of the most potent and oldest of bamboozling flimflam ever schemed by humans.
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And yet that is exactly what Leumas and others are imagining. Mocking the idea that they are not "true Christians" (because, to them, they most certainly *are* true Christians!)
The reality is far more complex. I was raised Christian by a mother who exemplified fundamental Christian beliefs: 1)love your neighbor 2)treat others the way you would be want to be treated 3)serve others, unselfishly etc etc. She literally would have thrown herself in front of a bus to save me. She was far from perfect, but her faith was the foundation of her beliefs, as it is for millions.
I grew up and learned to think critically, and of course now I know that religion as a whole is a bad force in society, for the fundamental reason that is founded on irrationality and not science. If religion were truly good, it would not be so nebulous and subjective that it could so easily be used for all sorts of evil. That is undeniable.
But you cannot lump *all* of religion or specific religious beliefs into a one size fits all sandwich that declares everyone and everything associated with religion as pure evil. That is why people like myself (and several others who have fled Leumas' bullying or stick around for more verbal onslaught) are turned off by Leumas' beliigerent style. Because it is *exactly* like pissing on my mother's grave, and demonstrates a lack of understanding of the nuances involved. It is disrespectful and disingenuous, and I believe it comes less from one's supposed dedication to rationality and skepticism and more from one's personal experience in life, being crapped on (pun intended) by someone or some group who are/were religious. That is what Warp was referring to by atheist obsession--i may disagree with him on political views but he is spot on there.
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Well, my eyes have certainly been opened to how Christianity turned good people like Hitler and concentration camp guards and other Nazis into bad people, tempting them to battle for world conquest under their insignia the Christian cross, singing those vile Christian anthems Deutchland Uber Allles and Das Horst-Wessel-Lied. (All the many mentions of Jesus and the Church in those songs have obviously been expunged from present day documents, no doubt by Christians as part of the cover-up.)
The question is, what is to be done about those evil Christians who conspire to lead such good people astray and subvert our cherished secular values? I hope some of you can come up with a solution, preferably a decisively effective one such that the problem is solved permanently. After all, we wouldn't want the intolerance and ideological extremism of Naziism ever to be repeated.
The question is, what is to be done about those evil Christians who conspire to lead such good people astray and subvert our cherished secular values? I hope some of you can come up with a solution, preferably a decisively effective one such that the problem is solved permanently. After all, we wouldn't want the intolerance and ideological extremism of Naziism ever to be repeated.
We could release a public disclaimer that there is no God and that churches should be used for entertainment purposes only.
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why not, and while we are at it i say we bring back the real gladiators, and pit those dang christians against the lions. We do it metaphorically in social media so might as well do it for real. use the sponsorship money to lower gas prices.