Tommy Jeppesen
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It shows the necessity for a true premise in order to arrive at true conclusion. Aristotle did not have the means to do this and nor do modern philosophers. Only science has the methodology to test its premises. Hence philosophy can never be more than a tool of science, albeit a useful one.
Help!!! There are no true premises. You run into Fries', Münchhausen's and Agrippa's trilemma. Tassman, neither philosophy nor science can establish foundationally true premises. I really don't like this notion that somehow science is special and where philosophy failed, science doesn't because science is not philosophy. I.e. you hand-wave the word science and somehow that means that the epidemiological problem of foundational premises disappears.
What IS a scientifically verifiable proposition (as you have previously agreed) is the fact that science has established humans to be a social species and, as such, require social cohesion in order to survive. Thus we can infer from this that rape is demonstrably harmful to the social fabric. Hence rape is wrong.
That is blatantly false, as all members of a species need not to replicate for the species to survive and you disconnect aspect of sexual competition in replication.
Historically the definitions of ‘rape’ have varied e.g. whether having forced intercourse with one’s wife is “rape” (as we tend to see it today) or merely a husband claiming his conjugal rights (as it was seen previously) OR whether raping and pillaging rival tribes is OK (as per Moses) or not OK (as we think today, unless you're a Muslim fanatic). But as a general rule one can reasonably say that rape per se is wrong.
So non-Muslim soldiers didn't rape during the Yugoslavian civil war, only Muslim soldiers rape. Your bias is showing.
Tassman, I urge you to take off your blinders regarding philosophy and science and learn to accept the fact that there are no true premises in practice.
BTW -
We [scientists] wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bit us in the ass. We're probably fairly good at recognizing what's false, and that's what science does on a day-to-day basis, but we can't claim to identify truth.
Dr. Steven M. Holland, University of Georgia Geology Professor