The Freeman Movement and England

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gtm said:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84422
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Whenever I read the word 'fascism' on the icky threads, it always sounds, mentally, like this guy:
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BaaBaa said:
Whenever I read the word 'fascism' on the icky threads, it always sounds, mentally, like this guy:
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These FMOTL mopes wouldn't recognise a real fascist until he smashed their teeth in with his rifle butt.
 
Exactly. I used to talk like that, too. Then again, I was 16, the Golden Age of Furious, Ill-considered and Uninformed Political Thought.
 
BaaBaa said:
Exactly. I used to talk like that, too. Then again, I was 16, the Golden Age of Furious, Ill-considered and Uninformed Political Thought.
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I think it's easier at that age to believe that you're living in a world entirely controlled by a powerful elite over which you have no influence, mainly because up to a point it's true. Growing up is, in part, the process by which you discover you've become a part of that elite.

Dave
 
This example is actually quite disturbing.
A parent who describes themself as an indigo person and claims to have had ET experiences is new to the FOTL stuff and is considering using what they have learnt to prevent social services keeping a watchful eye on the 16 month old child. Thankfully most of the other posters in the thread appear to sense danger with this one. But I do fear for the child's welfare.

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16836
 
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I absolutely would NOT recommend playing the freeman card with them as they'll have your child in care and you in a mental hospital before you know it!
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Why on earth would she think that???

or does she actually agree its all nonsense.

JB
 
jargon buster said:
Why on earth would she think that???

or does she actually agree its all nonsense.
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Unfortunately, those two lines are almost the only sensible things in the whole post.

Have you checked the defendants in their class action?
 
Stacey Grove said:
This example is actually quite disturbing.
A parent who describes themself as an indigo person and claims to have had ET experiences is new to the FOTL stuff and is considering using what they have learnt to prevent social services keeping a watchful eye on the 16 month old child. Thankfully most of the other posters in the thread appear to sense danger with this one. But I do fear for the child's welfare.

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16836
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Does anyone else notice they are quoting to her from the Human Rights ACT about degrading treatment and using the ACT, a statute law, to tell her shes being mistreated?

Apparently statute law is evil and does not apply to freemen, except when they want it to.
 
Well that's the point. They can pick and choose as long as they consent to the contract.
 
Paul said:
Unfortunately, those two lines are almost the only sensible things in the whole post.

Have you checked the defendants in their class action?
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I've done some checking into 'Freedom Advocacy Law' - none of the 'senior practising partners' or the 'researcher' are qualified lawyers in england & wales although the hold themselves out as having expertise in childcare law. Their website is in fact illegal because they don't provide an address for service (e-commerce regulations 2002) & if anyone can be bothered they can make a criminal complaint.

The class action is absurd & fundamentally misguided. the International Court of Justice only has jurisdiction to hear disputes between states & not private citizens.

In my opinion these guys are 'fathers for justice' style loonies & their assistance in acase would be of very limited utility.
 
LightinDarkness said:
Does anyone else notice they are quoting to her from the Human Rights ACT about degrading treatment and using the ACT, a statute law, to tell her shes being mistreated?

Apparently statute law is evil and does not apply to freemen, except when they want it to.
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Technically she's wrong - you can run Human Rights Act arguments in Childcare cases. I used to do a fair bit of this type of work a few years ago so I should know (unlike the TPUC numbskulls :()
 
gtm said:
In my opinion these guys are 'fathers for justice' style loonies & their assistance in acase would be of very limited utility.
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I think that is a diplomatically generous assessment.
 
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In my opinion these guys are 'fathers for justice' style loonies & their assistance in acase would be of very limited utility.
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Erm...what's the issue with FFJ? I'm involved in a drawn out and bitter contact battle with my ex, and I feel I've been treated unjustly by a system which seems to adhere to a philosophy of 'women are victims and men are lying abusers.'

I haven't contacted FFJ yet, but I've been considering it. This post has worried me a bit. I don't want to derail the thread so PM if necessary.
 
Naddig74 said:
Erm...what's the issue with FFJ? I'm involved in a drawn out and bitter contact battle with my ex, and I feel I've been treated unjustly by a system which seems to adhere to a philosophy of 'women are victims and men are lying abusers.'

I haven't contacted FFJ yet, but I've been considering it. This post has worried me a bit. I don't want to derail the thread so PM if necessary.
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don't worry about derailing the thread - it encompasses all classes of legal idiocy in the UK.

They're not qualified lawyers & therefore have no proven expertise. They have no rights of audience (ie are not entitled to plead cases in court on behalf of 'clients'). Google 'James Hallimond' - he clearly has an agenda.

Frankly the whole FFJ site stinks - 2 of them are based in Spain, as I've pointed out the 'class action' is misconceived. The International Court of Justice does not have jurisdiction & it's profoundly troubling the FFJ haven't worked this out yet - a simple 2 minute google search would confirm this. Either they're idiots or conmen - take you're pick.

If you want to PM about your issues by all means do so. Unlike FFJ operatives I am a qualified lawyer (& have the humility to say when I think I'm out of my depth)
 
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gtm said:
They're not qualified lawyers & therefore have no proven expertise. They have no rights of audience (ie are not entitled to plead cases in court on behalf of 'clients').
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The could act as "McKenzie friends" (although they would almost certainly not be allowed to address the court).
 
Since coming across this in the alternate universe of Ickespace a while back I was so hoping they would post results of case:-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058910804&postcount=440

And now here's the result:

. However,after a longwinded speech on all the aspects of the case,the judge has allowed the mortgage company/bank to send the house for auction. He seemed to think that they had done nothing wrong ! Because I disagreed with him,he also refused me leave to appeal.
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www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71143&page=50
 
talkie toaster said:
Since coming across this in the alternate universe of Ickespace a while back I was so hoping they would post results of case:-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058910804&postcount=440

And now here's the result:



www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71143&page=50
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I think I want to nominate rumpole for some kind of anti-Stundie for putting his finger on the Achilles heel of the entire argument:

rumpole said:
If they lent you money they weren't entitled to lend then you weren't entitled to buy your house with it.
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Strangely, none of the rest of them had figured that one out.

Dave
 
http://freemantruthmovement.blogspot.com/2010/05/birth-bond.html#comments
With regards the mortgage, you took it out,without it you couldnt have bought the house.
Regardless of the bank showing a loss and providing you with any proof.
The simple fact is that without the banks assistance you would still not have a house, it matters not if they gave you actual pound notes or a simple series of digits on a piece of paper (thats the consideration they provide by the way).
What makes you think that even if you persuade the bank to drop the debt that you have any right to the home.
If they didnt provide you with anything then you couldnt have given the person you bought the house from anything of value could you?
So its the original sellers property not yours.
Think on that for a while.

JB
May 27, 2010 10:09 PM
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I have pointed this error out several times in the past but it goes unheard.

JB/Asky
 
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