The Freeman Movement and England

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gtm said:
Thats an astute observation - latin tends to lend the most prosaic of phrases 'gravitas' (I'm getting good at this :)).

I'd also suggest that roman maxims are pithy & easily understandable. The average Freeman lacks the intellect & patience to get to grips with statutory interpretation or plough through mounds of case law. Far easier to shock and amaze your gullible audience by throwing a legal fossil into the ring.
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You'll find it in other fields, for example fossilised medicine. Homoeopaths like to translate the names of their remedies into cod latin (e.g. "Excrementum Can." - well, I suppose there might be other issues involved in labelling that one in English).
 
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When you observe some of the posts of wannabe fotl such as this from tpuc:
by king-william on Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:52 am
if the dvla say a car is a mechanicaly propelled vehicle........then the mechanics are the propeller.........isnt a mechanic a man... then mechanicaly could denote the actions of mechanics....being the propellor......i knew an or. or an oar would be there somewhere...and a propellor.......pro-pell-or.........com-pell......pro-per...........act-or............bon voyage ...........its all admiralty.....ships cannon law........i carry a port pass. and have a berth certificate. but its normal? nothing out of order here? its all above board? .....keep calm and carry on....chocolate rations are up 5% this week......
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you realise that debate is futile, all they see is Admiralty, Admiralty, Admiralty.
 
if the dvla say a car is a mechanicaly propelled vehicle........then the mechanics are the propeller.........isnt a mechanic a man...
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If the FOTLers used a quantum mechanic they could get out of speeding tickets by arguing that the prosecution could prove where the car was or how fast it was going, but not both.
 
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Tpuc seems like an amusing Stundie source, if their historical skills is as accurate as their legal ones.

"Hmm. Capitalized words are legalize. They don't mean what they pretend to. They are but shadows of the truth.

The Holocaust. Enough said."

Also, literacy is a Tool of The Man(tm):

"i had read somewhere ellesbells, that reading an writing hardwires ur brain a particular way and actually coud be deemed to trap u, as a result, or your free thought process."
 
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jargon buster said:
Look what happened to this barnpot after sticking his nose in where it wasnt wanted
http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16257

I noticed he didnt consent to any of it either :D

JB
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Now his partner has received this advice on Icke FOTL

just dont give em any satisfaction or info they require..... if they wanna be stupid be stupid back.

this is not legal advice!!! just an opinion.
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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119300

I do hope there is a follow posting up after the next court hearing.
 
Im beginning to think these guys need their own Stundie thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118403&page=2
I havent done a NOUI&COR yet... but I think in the tradition of being honourable, I'm in the process of giving the government the opportunity to show me what claim of authority they have over me.

When they show me that they don't have such a claim I reckon I will sort out my NOUI&COR and get on with the walking of the walk.

I'm basically building my confidence right now. The whole philiosphy makes perfect sense to me. I prefer to give them a chance to show me their true colours before there is any controversy.

Sorting out my final reply to the Ministry of Justice, then I think they've got a month to answer (under their rules, not mine) and assuming they can't show me a legitimate claim of right to tell me what to do (which of course they can't) then through the bubble I go.

peace
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:D
....and then the bubble bursts....

JB
 
Toke said:
I do get the idea of legal latin as a useful shorthand, but I cannot help thinking of the "A fish in your pocket" from the dish-world. :D
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I'd prefer to invoke Acquiris Quodcumquae Rapis or Quia Ego Sic Dico
 
But even better, when he/she gets time in Prison to make little ones out of big ones (the reverse of their current policy), the FMOTL's can still win by quoting Latin in all it's beauty, and getting a moral victory


sic transit gloria mundi

Norm
 
Another TPUC barnpot started a thread about billionaires and what to do with them.
http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16510

Firstly, I thought money didnt actually exist, and secondly if as they say money is the problem, why are they so bothered about someone else having pots of it.

I especially like the vote of death sentence, isnt it great living under the mantra of "cause no loss or harm"

JB
 
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Another TPUC barnpot started a thread about billionaires and what to do with them.
http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16510

Firstly, I thought money didnt actually exist, and secondly if as they say money is the problem, why are they so bothered about someone else having pots of it.

I especially like the vote of death sentence, isnt it great living under the mantra of "cause no loss or harm"

JB
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So thats what happens when people don't get Mark Ames sense of humor.
 
Pikachu said:
In the English criminal courts a lot of legal Latin still hangs around again because it's a handy shorthand : prima-facie; res gestae; res ipsae; mala-fides are all ones I've used within the last couple of weeks.
Even the odd bit of Norman French (lovely fellow Norman) - voir dire for instance.
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Some Norman French is also used in the American Legal System. For instance the Sessions of the Surpreme Court are opened by a Baliff saying "Oyez,Oyez,Oyez".
 
From the other FOTL thread:

Hans said:
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to how many 'odd thinking' people might be out there in the USA.....thinking we have admiralty courts, owned by the Queen, the US government is a 'foreign corporation' etc? what 5% of the population or way less than 1%?

Oh and for some more comedy

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/statutory_only_not_lawful#incoming-72661

You can find more 'golden' comments by typing in Sarah Goldsmith at that site, all kinds of kooky letters to the government
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Here's a link to the search:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/i_am_the_agent_for_the_fictional

This person seems to think that the FOI act entitles her to send in all manner of kooky opinions and questions and have them answered, within a deadline from the original request. The actual law ('scuse me, guv'ner, you probably meant "act") will freeze and "restart" the deadline if clarification is needed, and has a couple of other practical limitations. These details seem to past right over the poster's head, despite being stated repeatedly.

This is my favourite:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/why_does_her_majesty_submit_to_t

The worst thing? Other commenters are agreeing with her...
 
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