The Freeman Movement and England

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Yes, it does. And when you compare both models you see proof of this from one side but not the other.

Nor is the Earth rotating, for dozens of other reasons. Not least as already shown.

We are being fed monkey science by the occultists of the 'scientific' world.

But this thread is on the Freeman movement of England. (You may have noticed this ?).

Of course the Sun orbits the Earth.

 

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The first thing I am going to do about it is remind you of it. Which I have already done. And, if you accept this you see one system is unlawful and the other is not. Since the Rule of Law is the law of this land. And its alternative is nothing less than slavery, corruption and misery.

So what are you going to do about it?

 

[D'rok]

Yes, it does. And when you compare both models you see proof of this from one side but not the other.

Nor is the Earth rotating, for dozens of other reasons. Not least as already shown.

We are being fed monkey science by the occultists of the 'scientific' world.

But this thread is on the Freeman movement of England. (You may have noticed this ?).

All one and the same. Ptolemy discovered the common law too, natch.

 

[Stacey Grove]

The first thing I am going to do about it is remind you of it. Which I have already done. And, if you accept this you see one system is unlawful and the other is not. Since the Rule of Law is the law of this land. And its alternative is nothing less than slavery, corruption and misery.

It's no good telling us.
Most on here aren't listening anyway.
You're better spending your time attempting to convince the judiciary aren't you?

 

[gtm]

Slaves are those who must apply for their own freedom to be granted to them by their masters. Must apply for permits to do what is already lawful. And must conform with each and every statute created by bogus parliaments and a bogus legal system. These statutes even being falsely called 'laws'. Since a free man knows what is lawful requires no permit, licence or grant from anyone - because he is acting lawfully, within the law.
The elegant simplicity of the Common Law - the Rule of Law - to which even Parliaments, kings, rulers, men and women are themselves subject. As a matter of plain fact. And none other. A system so great it cannot be improved on. A system which is instead impersonated by corrupt politicians, corrupt lawyers, and by a whole industry of feudal and corporate control. It's called slavery.

But the Law of the land remains the law of the land and so do the lawful Rights of the governed and their sovereign power of consent. Because the very same Law applies to all. Any king, parliament, or court who acts contrary to the law of this land is unlawful.

You 'analysis' of what slavery is is profoundly perverted & does a great disservice to the poor sods who were (& in some parts of the world still are) real slaves.

The rest of your post is just FMOTL piffle (no great surprise there)

 

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Stacey Grove,

It's like slaves on the year on Jubilee. They are free to go. But it they choose to remain they are enslaved to their masters forever. Subject to their masters. With their ear bored and enslaved forever.

'It's no good telling us', you say. Fine. I will tell you no more. Why should we waste our time if the message is understood by both with us doing nothing about it ?

I do not wish to 'convince the judiciary'. They are oath swearing stooges of the system. But to convince only those who are born to be free of the oppressive slavery of the state, and of its legal industry. Clearly, indisputably, leading to human slavery, oppression and human misery.

But life is choice, and we are of course free to choose. That is, by definition, our life. Since one law leads us to be free while its counterfeit leads us, inevitably, to human slavery. By choice.

It's no good telling us.
Most on here aren't listening anyway.
You're better spending your time attempting to convince the judiciary aren't you?

 

[Dave Rogers]

The first thing I am going to do about it is remind you of it. Which I have already done.

Yes, you've reminded us that only people stupid and ignorant enough to misunderstand their own specious arguments as to why the Sun goes round the Earth are also stupid and ignorant enough to believe FMOTL stupidity and ignorance. But it wasn't really necessary.

Dave

 

[Toke]

Oh, snap! I read that about 30 years ago...it was by a dude named L. Neil Smith...it was ok but....yeesh..politics...

Thanks, I found it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Probability_Broach

Nice fiction, but the political premises for it require some serious suspension of disbelief.

 

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Yes, you've reminded us that only people stupid and ignorant enough to misunderstand their own specious arguments as to why the Sun goes round the Earth are also stupid and ignorant enough to believe FMOTL stupidity and ignorance. But it wasn't really necessary.

Dave

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[Stacey Grove]

'It's no good telling us', you say. Fine. I will tell you no more. Why should we waste our time if the message is understood by both with us doing nothing about it ?

But you have never taken time to consider the position of those that don't agree with you.

I do not wish to 'convince the judiciary'.

In that case, even if everything you say is correct those judges will still act in the same way, won't they?

They are oath swearing stooges of the system. But to convince only those who are born to be free of the oppressive slavery of the state, and of its legal industry. Clearly, indisputably, leading to human slavery, oppression and human misery.

It's those "oath swearing stooges" who have the facility to send people to jail.

But life is choice, and we are of course free to choose. That is, by definition, our life. Since one law leads us to be free while its counterfeit leads us, inevitably, to human slavery. By choice.

Thanks, I don't find your choice attractive

 

[Dave Rogers]

Yes, it does. And when you compare both models you see proof of this from one side but not the other.

Nor is the Earth rotating, for dozens of other reasons. Not least as already shown.

We are being fed monkey science by the occultists of the 'scientific' world.

But this thread is on the Freeman movement of England. (You may have noticed this ?).

Return to sender. Wrong thread.

But make sure you return it west to east, or it'll never get there.

Dave

 

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Return to sender. Wrong thread.

But make sure you return it west to east, or it'll never get there.

Dave

Do not pose, or otherwise imply, that you are a member of the Moderation Team.

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[D'rok]

 

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That's your choice. And I have my own.

Thanks for the conversation.

Judges will act in the same way if you accept their jurisdiction. I do not. Unless it is proved to be the Law of this land.

Judges have no lawful power to send people to jail unless they can prove the law of this land has been violated.

The oath swearing judges of the corporatised, profit making, legal industry (plus their solicitors, magistrates etc) are part of the counterfeit system. The Rule of Law is the law of this land. Not that of the legal industry. That was/is the Law of this land.

But you have never taken time to consider the position of those that don't agree with you.


In that case, even if everything you say is correct those judges will still act in the same way, won't they?


It's those "oath sweraing stooges" who have the facility to send people to jail.


Thanks, I don't find your choice attractive

 

[D'rok]

You 'analysis' of what slavery is is profoundly perverted & does a great disservice to the poor sods who were (& in some parts of the world still are) real slaves.

Exactly.

 

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Slavery exists at the point where you must apply for, beg for, pay for, plead for, make application for, obtain licence for, activities which are already lawful. In such a case the slavery is your own, by choice.

 

[Stacey Grove]

Judges have no lawful power to send people to jail unless they can prove the law of this land has been violated .

They normally have the assistance of a few heavily built policemen.
What are you going to do about them?

 

[remirol]

Slavery exists at the point where you must apply for, beg for, pay for, plead for, make application for, obtain licence for, activities which are already lawful. In such a case the slavery is your own, by choice.

The problem is that such activities aren't lawful. The people with the power to send you to jail enforce the real laws, and those of you (the BMOTL) who pretend that you are not subject to them routinely find themselves behind bars as a result.

So it appears that there's a contradiction. BMOTL believe that laws don't apply to them, and get ticketed, fined, their cars crushed, and sent to jail because of it. Therefore, BMOTL is a complete waste of time.

How can it be anything else?

 

[commandlinegamer]

Slavery exists at the point where you must apply for, beg for, pay for, plead for, make application for, obtain licence for, activities which are already lawful. In such a case the slavery is your own, by choice.

Repetition of the same assertion, ad nauseum, does not an argument make. Meanwhile out in the real world, we slaves are working for a living, so we can raise a family, go out and enjoy ourselves, travel if we so choose or any of a myriad other activities that make life worthwhile. You might try it some time.

 

[gtm]

That's your choice. And I have my own.

Thanks for the conversation.

Judges will act in the same way if you accept their jurisdiction. I do not. Unless it is proved to be the Law of this land.

Judges have no lawful power to send people to jail unless they can prove the law of this land has been violated.
The oath swearing judges of the corporatised, profit making, legal industry (plus their solicitors, magistrates etc) are part of the counterfeit system. The Rule of Law is the law of this land. Not that of the legal industry. That was/is the Law of this land.

I think you'll find the Judges will impose their jurisdiction on you whether you you like it or not if you find yourself in their courts.

Tell that to girlgye & pleasuredome (for those not in the know 2 FMOTL martyrs who spent time at HM's pleasure) amongst others.

I'm a solicitor & my law works. I've stopped people getting evicted. I've got them compensation when their landlords allow their properties to fall into disrepair. I've got men contact with their non resident children. I've obtained injunctions for women with violent partners, I've recovered unpaid debts. I've made sure my clients have obtained a reasonable settlement when getting divorced. etc, etc, etc.

What have you achieved Mr Freeman 'Common Law' Expert? Please enlighten me? I'm all ears