The Freeman Movement and England

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Pikachu said:
Well, I've had a fun afternoon with a FOTL trial. Highlights include:-
Defendant trying to introduce an enormously long document that by tortuous logic "proves" the court don't have jurisdiction. There is no basis for its admission so it doesn't go in.
Defendant declaring that he's making the court a court of record which turns out to be the signal for his mate to turn on the tape recorder. When this is later discovered and confiscated the defendant accuses everyone of various crimes.
Defendant's fanclub refusing to stand up when magistrates enter and leave. They are a little subdued when both the usher and the chair describe them as lacking in common courtesy. A lot more subdued when every spare chair is occupied by a burly police officer.
When the defendant is asked to identify himself and begins the usual spiel waving his birth-certificate the prosecutor interrupts him and says as everyone knows who he is why don't we begin the trial. Magistrates agree and leave the defendant nonplused for a bit. He soon starts shouting "objection" every few words and is treated by the prosecutor with crushing disdain.
Somehow the first police officer's examination in chief is concluded. This should be the defendant's chance to cross-examine. But no he decides to challenge the court's jurisdiction instead and starts demanding the names of the magistrates and whether the court is common-law or admiralty.
Upshot is the case has gone part-heard halfway through the first witness...
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And I am sure this guy reports back to Rob Menard and it will be posted as a success.

Court obstruction and ensuring that FOTL woos get a end result much more harsh than they would have ended up with - another FOTL success!
 
Pikachu said:
The Judge in question is known for being compassionate but he'd tried everything - psychiatric checks, even appointed the guy a solicitor to represent his point of view and try to talk to him. Not a wet-behind-the-ears solicitor either a really senior one from a top criminal defence firm. So no I think the sentence will stand.
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That's a pity.

You have to be in court with these people to realise how deep it goes. At the trial I witnessed a few days ago a very experienced advocate who hadn't seen them before was spooked by the claque describing their behaviour as "brainwashed". They react almost as one - this may be hyperbolic - but I'm reminded of descriptions of the Manson trial where the girls echoed whatever Charlie did.
Drink the Koolaid (is that like Ribena by the way?), remove your genitals its an internet cult.
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Koolaid is a US soft-drink mix. It typically comes in little envelopes and you add water to it. It is similar to Ribena in that the only way to make either drinkable is to add enough booze to it....
 
drkitten said:
That's a pity.
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Just to be sure...Is it a pity the sentence will probably stand, or that the judge tried everything?

Kind of getting to know the (nice, friendly, compassionate, intelligent) people on this forum, I'd guess the latter one. But you can't be sure enough, I guess.
 
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I thought you might like this nugget from the very dim Darren Pollard 1st, it's a reply to a comment on one of his er......cough films on youtube, make sure you're sitting down first, here it is
"First of all no-one taxes pay for anyone on the dole. All benefits come from the bond set up in trust via your birth certificate. Same as medical bills. You are living in a dream world mate. Clearly you haven/t got a clue what's really going on. Go back to sleep!"
 
D'rok said:
Lots and lots of claims. Let's look at one in isolation:

Please present a documented case where an unlicensed, uninsured Canadian driving an unregistered car was let go without fines or other legal consequences after doing the FOTL song and dance when stopped by a police officer.

And please remember: Anecdotes are not evidence.
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How about a video documentation from London, Ontario?
Unfortunately I'm not allowed to post URLs in this Forum yet (cos' I'm new).
So, just go to youtube and find the channel "awkword519". It will be his featured video.
 
I had some fun with Pollard over on TPUC.
The guys a barnpot, if he is the freeman movement personified then theres no hope at all for them.
He came on and tried to goad me into an argument at the behest of the site Admin Dan Hughes, and after our thread went into the "Rant Room" I resonded to his insults and Dan moved the thread back into the open forums and gave me a ban.
He did the same with Girlgye to ban me but it backfired and she got a life ban:D
the threads going well over here
http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/boards/thread.aspx?thrid=509096&topid=121&action=msgsvd&pg=77
Menard is floundering without his site moderators to protect him.

JB
 
tobjai said:
How about a video documentation from London, Ontario?
Unfortunately I'm not allowed to post URLs in this Forum yet (cos' I'm new).
So, just go to youtube and find the channel "awkword519". It will be his featured video.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cci5MSvsSmc

This is something Freeman always try to pass off as proof, but if you actually watch the video you'll notice AT NO POINT do you ever see or hear the policeman stating that this guy is free to go since he has status as a sovereign citizen. Conveniently, all of that is edited out.

What most likely happened is this freeman performed all the correct FOTL rituals and the police, being polite gentlemen, just gave him a ticket and didn't want to tell him he was nuts. He is "free to go" since he got his ticket, but reviving the ticket was edited out of course.
 
tobjai said:
How about a video documentation from London, Ontario?
Unfortunately I'm not allowed to post URLs in this Forum yet (cos' I'm new).
So, just go to youtube and find the channel "awkword519". It will be his featured video.
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Here it is:



...and the video cuts off before we see the end result.

Was this supposed to prove something?
 
Its enough proof for them DROK.
Thats just it, they will cling onto anything that gives them a ray of hope.
Its just another fail to add to the list

JB
 
The guy in the video is Joshua
Hes got his own court date pending
Theres a guy called mika over on the thread I posted earlier posting as Sentinal this may be the guy in your link but Im not sure.
They sure are coming out of the woodwork at the moment.
The guys over in Canada are pointing the police Menards way and believe it or not Menards calling them grasses and is blowing a gasket.
Strange behaviour indeed for someone who statutory legislation does not apply:D

JB
 
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jargon buster said:
The guy in the video is Joshua
Hes got his own court date pending
Theres a guy called mika over on the thread I posted earlier posting as Sentinal this may be the guy in your link but Im not sure.
They sure are coming out of the woodwork at the moment.
The guys over in Canada are pointing the police Menards way and believe it or not Menards calling them grasses and is blowing a gasket.
Strange behaviour indeed for someone who statutory legislation does not apply:D

JB
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Maybe he's worried that he might have to rely on one of his own remedies. :D
 
I set him a test on the Canadian thread.
Drive around with a film crew in an unlicenced untaxed uninsured car smoking pot until you come across the police and film the result.
That would prove once and for all if his theories actually held water.
Surprise surprise he refused to answer it:D

JB
 
I just watched a bunch of those videos from London, Ont. I'm actually really impressed with how calm and professional the cops are. These FOTLers should thank their lucky stars that they aren't trying to pull this crap in L.A. County or something.
 
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