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The Freeman Movement and England

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jeffwode said:
Then there is the case of Freeman Ben Lowrey (see 'Ben Lowrey arrested for travelling' and follow-up vids on YT). This hapless dupe appears to have undergone a particularly severe case of brainwashing. In true FOTL fashion, he was arrested - sorry, 'kidnapped' - for a string of motoring offences he didn't consent to while driving on the roads he doesn't consent to paying for. The arrest videos are particularly amusing. The cheerful rozzers immediately spot the flaws in the FOTL philosophy and find Lowrey's claims to not be a UK citizen inconsistent with his Pop Larkin accent. Inevitably, the FOTL threatens to "activate his fee schedule" for wasting his valuable time shortly being clapped in irons.
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Arrested for traveling (part 1) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTicurNEEOQ

wait, did it take one hour for him to be arrested?
 
gtm said:
Venetian slave masters? That rings alarm bells & has to be UCADIA. The mainstream FMOTL'ers probably don't know where Venice is (they probably think it's a kind of Pizza)




Welcome Jeff,

We've followed the Bond case closely. He started a thread about the impending 'feeling of his collar' on the Icke forum. He is thinking about dropping FMOTL.
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Thanks. Nice to be here.

I'm pleased to hear Bond's seen the light. Most FOTLs wake up and give up when reality comes crashing down on them in court. They lose a few quid, usually not too much, and give us a few laughs along the way.

More worrying are the few who keep pushing it, all of whom can only be mentally ill and are being manipulated by the likes of Menard and St Clair, which is unforgivable. There are also a few extreme libertarians/anarchists who appear to have no immediate financial problems but soon will have if they hold true to their word and engage in 'lawful rebellion' (see the blogs of 'Old Holborn' and 'Captain Ranty' for example.) I'm afraid this lunacy might be around for some time to come.
 
jeffwode said:
Thanks. Nice to be here.

I'm pleased to hear Bond's seen the light. Most FOTLs wake up and give up when reality comes crashing down on them in court. They lose a few quid, usually not too much, and give us a few laughs along the way.

More worrying are the few who keep pushing it, all of whom can only be mentally ill and are being manipulated by the likes of Menard and St Clair, which is unforgivable. There are also a few extreme libertarians/anarchists who appear to have no immediate financial problems but soon will have if they hold true to their word and engage in 'lawful rebellion' (see the blogs of 'Old Holborn' and 'Captain Ranty' for example.) I'm afraid this lunacy might be around for some time to come.
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Hopefully, Bond will see sense, purge his contempt with a grovelling apology & live 'happily' ever after.

I've noticed a cross over between 'freemanery' & the far right. Ever heard of Brian Gerrish & UK Column site? His main 'business' is exposing the NWO but he's also runnning a council tax case using FMOTL principles. The far right love the NWO stuff he does. I also say a discussion about FMOTL on the loathsome VNN forum & there is a vein of anti semitism in some FMOTL discussions (fractional reserve banking = financial institutions = jews).

Watch out for Veronica Chapman. She is outraged that she has to pay for anything ever :D
 
gtm said:
Hopefully, Bond will see sense, purge his contempt with a grovelling apology & live 'happily' ever after.

I've noticed a cross over between 'freemanery' & the far right. Ever heard of Brian Gerrish & UK Column site? His main 'business' is exposing the NWO but he's also runnning a council tax case using FMOTL principles. The far right love the NWO stuff he does. I also say a discussion about FMOTL on the loathsome VNN forum & there is a vein of anti semitism in some FMOTL discussions (fractional reserve banking = financial institutions = jews).

Watch out for Veronica Chapman. She is outraged that she has to pay for anything ever :D
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I only came across UK column while reading about FOTL. They're running a story ('The cat's out of the bag') at the moment which is being touted as another mighty success for the freeloaders.

Excerpt:

Me: Sir, I asked if you were familiar with the Cestui Que Vie Act of 1666, if you are not Sir, then with respect you are not competent to judge in this matter and that gives rise to a claim of denial of due process.

Judge: Let’s hear from the council.

Me: Sir we can only move on to the council’s presentation when the court has confirmed that MR ROGER HAYES is represented in court.

Judge: Fine.

And the case continued.... with me (Roger Hayes) acting as third party representative for the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES and with the judge eventually telling the council to go away and prove its case. The Judge was obviously very keen to avoid a charge of denial of due process i.e. a challenge to his competence. It was much easier for him to side with me and pass the buck back to the council.

Smart judge.

So what does this all mean? Well In very simple terms, it is SEISMIC i.e. extremely significant. It means that the court has accepted that the council’s claim is against the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES and not me the flesh and blood man Roger Hayes. The court has also accepted that I (Roger Hayes) can act as a third party representative to defend the claim against MR ROGER HAYES.
The legal fiction cat is now truly out of the bag (although for me this is the second time I have achieved this in court). If the council goes on to win its case, then the court will find against the legal fiction MR ROGER HAYES, but significantly, they will not have found against me Roger Hayes... because as the court agrees... MR ROGER HAYES is a corporation... which isn’t me. One important thing is now clearly established - I, Roger Hayes, am not liable for council tax. AND NEITHER ARE YOU.

Leaving aside the fact that this is one man's recollection of events, I cannot see how even FTOLs can view this is a triumph. Judge opens case. FTOL spouts rubbish. Judge ignores him. The end. Except it's not the end because, as usual, we don't get to hear what happened next - most likely: FTOL grips the oak. Judge throws book at FTOL.

Not familiar with VNN though. Should I be? I don't normally delve this deeply into the internet's bowels.
 
Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I have been reading the FOTL rubbish with morbid fascination.

How in the name of anything can they believe this stuff will fly?

It has been like watching a slo-mo car wreck over the past observation of their delusional bovine excrement.

Kudos to all you guys providing rational rebuttal.
 
abaddon said:
Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I have been reading the FOTL rubbish with morbid fascination.

How in the name of anything can they believe this stuff will fly?

It has been like watching a slo-mo car wreck over the past observation of their delusional bovine excrement.

Kudos to all you guys providing rational rebuttal.
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You should check out the FOTL section over on David Icke forums
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=60 although compared with the lunacy that is UCADIA FOTL seems rational.
 
Vladd said:
You should check out the FOTL section over on David Icke forums
although compared with the lunacy that is UCADIA FOTL seems rational.
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Already a member there, mostly for the entertainment value.

I remain amazed at the level of woo which people entertain as even in the realm of possibility, let alone reality.

The UCADIA is new to me, and seems bonkers straight out of the box.
 
abaddon said:
Hello,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I have been reading the FOTL rubbish with morbid fascination.

How in the name of anything can they believe this stuff will fly?

It has been like watching a slo-mo car wreck over the past observation of their delusional bovine excrement.

Kudos to all you guys providing rational rebuttal.
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I don't know why we bother - I don't think we've ever successfully 'turned' a hardcore Freeman.
 
gtm said:
I don't know why we bother - I don't think we've ever successfully 'turned' a hardcore Freeman.
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I think abbadon may have answered your question.

We've not turned any hardcore Freemen, but lots of softcore Freemen find this site.
 
drkitten said:
I think abbadon may have answered your question.

We've not turned any hardcore Freemen, but lots of softcore Freemen find this site.
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Maybe.

This site gets very high google ratings.

Any rational thinking that gets results is a good thing.

At least the gullible get to see some rational thought.
 
drkitten said:
I think abbadon may have answered your question.

We've not turned any hardcore Freemen, but lots of softcore Freemen find this site.
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And I very much doubt it is possible to "turn a hardcore freeman".

They are to far invested in a false belief.

It is, however, worth trying to convert the undecided.
 
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i know i am just a lurker here and have been acused of bieng the Menard guy, but i am kinda confused.

jargon buster says:

3 posts, and grndslm admits his withdrawal of consent has no legal/lawful standing.
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but i read the post, and it says he does not admit.

I'm not admitting anything.
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did he admit or not?

it looks to me like he didnt.

Do you folks on this forum take this:
I'm not admitting anything.
to mean this:
admits his withdrawal of consent has no legal/lawful standing.

Just trying to figure this out...
Trying to figure out if I shood listen to what jargon buster says, once he is caught in a lie is all...
 
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