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Stacey Grove
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Phew!Heh, well I was really worried at first, not having any robin egg blue paper with which to rebut this daunting legal document, but having consulted the Canons, I see that this Ecclesiastic Deed Poll is actually invalid as it does not conform to the strict wording requirements of Canon 1564.
Boy, what a relief!
They so nearly had you whipped there
Do we have any?
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I've just found a font called Gobbledygook - perfect for this job.
At it's heart FMOTL is a conspiracy theory - they believe at some point in the past the rights appertaining to a sovereign citizen / 'real' common law. They are extremely vague about why & when this happened. O'Collins lays the finger of blame at the Jesuits, Catholics & Venetians but 'mainstream' Freemen (or perhaps the 'Canadian School'
) simply won't say. Where did this come from? Easy. Most of it is wholesale poached from the US based Sovereign Citizen / Redemption Movement. However the current obsession with Trusts is a recent innovation.
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Watching a recent programme about the trial of the men who signed King Charles' death warrant there were various flash backs to the 'trial' of Charles I where he maintained the court had no power over him as he didn't recognize their right to try him. Does this mean Charles Stuart was a Freeman of the land? 
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Watching a recent programme about the trial of the men who signed King Charles' death warrant there were various flash backs to the 'trial' of Charles I where he maintained the court had no power over him as he didn't recognize their right to try him. Does this mean Charles Stuart was a Freeman of the land?
Take that down quick, you'll give them ideas!
Watching a recent programme about the trial of the men who signed King Charles' death warrant there were various flash backs to the 'trial' of Charles I where he maintained the court had no power over him as he didn't recognize their right to try him. Does this mean Charles Stuart was a Freeman of the land?
He was a genuine 'Sovereign' & had some grounds for arguing the High court of Justice had no jurisdiction to try him. Nonetheless, he still had his noggin chopped off didn't he?
You raise an interesting point though. The trial, conviction & execution of Charles 1 could be used to skewer the FMOTL contention that sovereigns are immune from legal proceedings they don't consent to. They got into a horrible confused mess over the Pitcairn Island case.
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I think girlgye's been on the urine again - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059665228&postcount=39
Note the bit in bold. Hey, girlgye, warrants only happen when you've failed. However, I would agree that freemen are very 'successful' at being failures.
Note the bit in bold. Hey, girlgye, warrants only happen when you've failed. However, I would agree that freemen are very 'successful' at being failures.
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I love the judges' short and sweet statement in another post there.
[16] The short answer to Mr. Boyer’s submission is that he is a person who is subject to the laws of Canada just like everyone else. The manner in which his birth was recorded, or not, is irrelevant. His position in his chosen political party is irrelevant. He is entitled to hold any view he wishes about the illegality of marihuana, but his opinion is irrelevant to the issue of whether or not he may be prosecuted for his actions.
Rather destroys the whole FOTL house of cards with a few sentences.
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Bearing in mind the coming of the “day of redemption” (21/12/12) when the creator/God and Lucifer must comply with the treaty written by Frank O Collins I have written a little scenario of how that meeting will take place.
Picture the scene, frank o Collins living room one minute past midnight on 21/12/12, sitting at the dining table are Frank (self appointed chairperson) at the head of the table, God to his left Lucifer to his right and yozhik at the other end as note taker and mediator.
“Right I have called you both here today to try and sort out this war that’s raging in heaven between you two, its time we put a stop to it and created peace and everlasting happiness”
“Excuse me Frank, but shouldn’t I be at the head of the table being the creator and all that?”
“But God that wouldn’t be fair now would it, I have to adjudicate and make the final decision as to the treaty, it is after all my treaty”
“Are you sure it’s your treaty?”
“After all I am the creator and I created you didn’t I?”
“Lets not get into technicalities, I’m head of the table and it’s my way or the highway”
“Look you two, I’m sick of this bollocks, I only came along for a laugh, I don’t even consent to this stupid ******** treaty.”
“You have to Lucifer it’s the law.”
“Are you sure Frank, it looks like a policy to me, and as I don’t have a contract with you I can ignore your policy and disregard it with impunity, isn’t that right yozhik?”
“I don’t wish to get involved in this and as I do not have an opinion on anything it is of little consequence.”
“I do have one thing to say though, who is the trustee, who is the beneficiary and who receives the fiduciary benefits?”
“What the **** are you on about?”
“It’s all about trusts you know.”
“Is that your opinion?”
“Ooops **** me …no, forget I said that, just answer the questions Lucifer “
“Shove your questions up your arse Yozhik, no contract you idiot.”
“Look, can we get this back on topic, I’m in charge, I wrote the treaty and spent far too many hours on my website to let this slide now.”
“Look Frank, you have wasted your time here, have you looked at the many definitions for the word “heaven?”
“Errrrr……….should I have?”
“Well if you had you would have seen that heaven is defined as the abode of god, the angels, and the spirits of the righteous after death; the place or state of existence of the blessed after the mortal life.”
“My old pal Lucifer over there cannot by definition be there at all.”
“He’s right Frank, I have never been back since I was cast out, to tell you the truth its over-rated anyway, who wants to be surrounded by twats like yozhik over there.”
“Right then, I think that’s it then Frank, I have a fluffy cloud to get back to and no doubt Lucifer wants to get back to stealing souls.”
“He does his thing and I will do mine and you quite frankly (pardon the pun) can **** off back to writing nonsensical gobbledygook for pricks without an opinion or minds of their own to lap up.”
“I therefore call this meeting to a close.”
“You cant God, I’m the chairperson, its over when I say its over.”
“Is that so Frank, Lucifer, take this numpty with you when you go.”
“No problem God, he is after all writing hidden satanic messages in his Ucadia paperwork so he wont be too upset where he ends up.”
“Come on Frank, I have a never ending line of midgets with red hot pokers that need some work, what about you Yozhik, are you with Frank?”
“Errr… no I’m back with Rob Menard, he’s a freeman on the land you know.”
“Rob Menard hey? I had forgotten about him and his past misdeeds, we can pick him up on the way.”
Picture the scene, frank o Collins living room one minute past midnight on 21/12/12, sitting at the dining table are Frank (self appointed chairperson) at the head of the table, God to his left Lucifer to his right and yozhik at the other end as note taker and mediator.
“Right I have called you both here today to try and sort out this war that’s raging in heaven between you two, its time we put a stop to it and created peace and everlasting happiness”
“Excuse me Frank, but shouldn’t I be at the head of the table being the creator and all that?”
“But God that wouldn’t be fair now would it, I have to adjudicate and make the final decision as to the treaty, it is after all my treaty”
“Are you sure it’s your treaty?”
“After all I am the creator and I created you didn’t I?”
“Lets not get into technicalities, I’m head of the table and it’s my way or the highway”
“Look you two, I’m sick of this bollocks, I only came along for a laugh, I don’t even consent to this stupid ******** treaty.”
“You have to Lucifer it’s the law.”
“Are you sure Frank, it looks like a policy to me, and as I don’t have a contract with you I can ignore your policy and disregard it with impunity, isn’t that right yozhik?”
“I don’t wish to get involved in this and as I do not have an opinion on anything it is of little consequence.”
“I do have one thing to say though, who is the trustee, who is the beneficiary and who receives the fiduciary benefits?”
“What the **** are you on about?”
“It’s all about trusts you know.”
“Is that your opinion?”
“Ooops **** me …no, forget I said that, just answer the questions Lucifer “
“Shove your questions up your arse Yozhik, no contract you idiot.”
“Look, can we get this back on topic, I’m in charge, I wrote the treaty and spent far too many hours on my website to let this slide now.”
“Look Frank, you have wasted your time here, have you looked at the many definitions for the word “heaven?”
“Errrrr……….should I have?”
“Well if you had you would have seen that heaven is defined as the abode of god, the angels, and the spirits of the righteous after death; the place or state of existence of the blessed after the mortal life.”
“My old pal Lucifer over there cannot by definition be there at all.”
“He’s right Frank, I have never been back since I was cast out, to tell you the truth its over-rated anyway, who wants to be surrounded by twats like yozhik over there.”
“Right then, I think that’s it then Frank, I have a fluffy cloud to get back to and no doubt Lucifer wants to get back to stealing souls.”
“He does his thing and I will do mine and you quite frankly (pardon the pun) can **** off back to writing nonsensical gobbledygook for pricks without an opinion or minds of their own to lap up.”
“I therefore call this meeting to a close.”
“You cant God, I’m the chairperson, its over when I say its over.”
“Is that so Frank, Lucifer, take this numpty with you when you go.”
“No problem God, he is after all writing hidden satanic messages in his Ucadia paperwork so he wont be too upset where he ends up.”
“Come on Frank, I have a never ending line of midgets with red hot pokers that need some work, what about you Yozhik, are you with Frank?”
“Errr… no I’m back with Rob Menard, he’s a freeman on the land you know.”
“Rob Menard hey? I had forgotten about him and his past misdeeds, we can pick him up on the way.”
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