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jargon buster said:
someone has asked for advice on TPUC


the advice by a moderator
and i would send them a letter asking them to produce the speed camera in court,so that you can question it freshy

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=28264
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More excellent advice:

Just ignore it, they have no proof you ever received it.

listen to Maurice from Deadbeatdads he deliberately went through six or seven cameras to test which tactic worked best, he found just ignoring them worked best, listen to the interview from 1hour and 1minute and 45 seconds in

One hour of listening to someone who deliberately gets speeding tickets.
 
If you ignore the ticket in the UK as I already posted you get charged with failing to furnish driver details. Because you got the Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) doesn't mean you were the driver at the time. It used to be a defence to say you weren't sure who was driving and npominate two or three other people they woulddrop it.
A couple of years ago the law was changed to close the loophole, now you are compelled to name a driver either yourself or some other. This was appealed to the European COurts where it was argued you couldn't be forced to implicate yourself but it was upheld.
If you genuinely don't know who was driving you need to show the court 'Reasonable Diligence' in your attempts to find out who was.
Usualy the CPS wuill 'dual charge' with both speeding and Failure to Furnish. This is actualy an abuse of process but it is done to give those who are 'trying it on' a last chance at pleading guilty to the speeding.
If he doesn't turn up at court they will jsut find guilty in his absence and endorse his license anyway.
 
LightinDarkness said:
Yeah, UCADIA is the newest form of woo in the freeman movement. Their favorite thing is the "Ecclesiastical Deed Poll", which much like A4V, NoIs, and all other sovereign legal "documents" have absolutely 0 meaning. Still, they've got hundreds of people putting together these elaborate documents.

The Ecclesiastical Deed Poll is particularly bizarre because the entire thing is build on CANON LAW which has 0 relevance to any real government, and the document doesn't resemble what a real Deed Poll would be anyways. But they go through elaborate ritual to create the document to banish all their legal problems, the EDP requires their thumbprint (in blood, of course) and taping their birth certificate on the back.

Its all grand legal ritual and legal magic meant to make the state tremble before them. To bad it never works...just like the NoUIs, A4Vs, or any other sovereign paper document....
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Indeed O'Collins is very much the 'blue eyed boy' of the FMOTL global 'movement' (& when I say 'movement' I mean as in 'bowel' :D) at the moment. His stuff is popping up all over the FMOTL 'webiverse' & has even broken into the lucrative US 'market' (something that Menard has never achieved - no doubt much to his changrin)

As a keen student of FMOTL 'jurisprudence' I find it very interesting. For a start unlike most FMOTL 'gurus' this guy churns out huge amounts of written material rather than relying on trusty old Youtube. I have to confess to not yet wading through the entirety of the UCADIA (& related sites) content. There is a hell of a lot of it & after about 10 minutes of reading I get an urge to throw myself off the nearest multistory car park.

As far I can understand the legal stuff is basically the usual FMOTL junk dressed up in a quasi 'ecclesiastical' costume. The explanation is that O'Collins has a 'thing' about the Roman Catholic Church. When I say 'Thing' I mean a humungous all encompassing conspiracy whereby the Catholic Church run the world & have done for centuries. He reckons Hitler & Stalin teamed up with the Pope to wipe out European Jewry amongst other things. The Ecclesiastical Deed Poll is designed to use nefarious catholic legal magic to fend off nefarious catholic legal magic & thus send red hatted Cardinals scuttling around the Vatican like headless chickens. He's also 'Trusts' & making Judges Trustees. I liked the fact he's awarded himself patents - that was a nice touch.

There is a lot more to UCADIA than the 'law' - he's a serious meglomaniac with a messiah complex. There a fair bit of talk about 'never actively seeking out his station in life' & being 'chosen'. He's even written up his 8 dreams as UCADIA dogma.
 
jargon buster said:
Idiotic yozhik has got himself an admin position on a forum
Guess where?
http://university.ucadia.info/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewforum.php?2

maybe he will post up an opinion on there as he is a spokesperson for the site.

Now, I just need a suitable log on name :D

PS I'm quite happy for ucadia to build a bit of a following, at least it will hit Menard in the pocket and dent his ego.
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This a huge advancement on the FMOTL career path for Yozhik - it's like taking silk. He's hit the big time big time. He'll be a full fee charging Guru before long & I anticipate a great future for him.
 
Has the big 'Y' been invited to defend his ideas on this forum? If not perhaps he should be formally invited!
 
Hans said:
Has the big 'Y' been invited to defend his ideas on this forum? If not perhaps he should be formally invited!
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He has, but declined the offer.
Apparently his opinion is that members of this forum are too close-minded and are not willing to discuss in an adult manner.:D
 
gtm said:
As a keen student of FMOTL 'jurisprudence' I find it very interesting.
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Gtm,

This is possibly a question for another thread or subject for a new thread.

What would you say are the supposed/assumed lynchpins for the basis of FMOTL claims?

Do these, in your opinion, originate from a single source or is it more case of paradigm evolution?

GK
 
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LightinDarkness said:
Its all grand legal ritual and legal magic meant to make the state tremble before them. To bad it never works...just like the NoUIs, A4Vs, or any other sovereign paper document....
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Maybe someone else has allready coined it, but one could allmost call it cargo cult jurisprudence...
 
Heh, well I was really worried at first, not having any robin egg blue paper with which to rebut this daunting legal document, but having consulted the Canons, I see that this Ecclesiastic Deed Poll is actually invalid as it does not conform to the strict wording requirements of Canon 1564.

Boy, what a relief! :D

Oh, and I guess even the FOTL recognize the folly of 'signing' stuff with bloody thumbprints as they've now apparently decided to cease the practice in December of this year:

Canon 1558
Prior to UCA E8:Y3210:A0:S1:M27: D6 also known as [Wed, 21 Dec 2011] also known as the Day of Divine Judgment, a valid Ecclesiastical Deed Poll must always be sealed in the blood of the Trustee of the True Trust issuing it by using their thumbprint with the blood signature covered by clear plastic or tape from direct exposure. Thereafter this time, only ink is permitted as the medium for sealing.
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Stacey Grove said:
He has, but declined the offer.
Apparently his opinion is that members of this forum are too close-minded and are not willing to discuss in an adult manner.:D
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Nevermind that opposing viewpoints are actively protected on this forum, as opposed to so many others :rolleyes:

From what I've seen yozhik won't ever accept the offer to explore some of the more complex questions surrounding FOTLdom because he doesn't really have any opinions of his own, or at least won't own up to them. Look at Micklemus' example of the defaulting borrower and the lender -- nobody's had the guts to stand up and respond to it over 'what should be done' in that circumstance, because there isn't any solution that doesn't directly contravene FOTL utopian 'everyone is nice to each other' philosophy.

You know, that's a good idea. With apologies to Mick for openly jacking his work, I'll paraphrase it here and perhaps some of our resident FOTLers will answer:

Consider a situation where there is a lender, A, who has much money saved, legally and properly obtained by the sweat of his own brow. B, wishes to build a house for himself, but lacks the money to build the materials.

Suppose that B enters into a contract with A, whereupon A lends B the necessary money (in silver pieces, of course, to avoid all the 'fiat currency' crap) to purchase the materials. As promise of repayment, B agrees that A shall have the right to take possession of B's house if B does not pay back the silver according to the contract.

A lends B the money, B purchases the materials, and B builds the house. And here's where the fun starts.

B breaks both his legs, and, when he recovers, is unable to work as he did before. He rapidly exhausts his savings and is no longer able to make payments to A on the contract, thus breaking his promise of repayment.

Meanwhile, A also breaks both his legs, and when he recovers is also unable to work as he did before. Because A has lent a huge chunk of his savings to B, A is rapidly exhausting his own savings and is in danger of becoming destitute himself. Thus, A wishes to take B's house per the contract and sell it, thus giving himself the necessary time to find a new job.

B objects and says "The right thing to do here would be to give me an extension of time to pay, since it is not my fault I cannot repay. If you take my house I will have nowhere to live and you will do me harm."
A objects and says "While it is not your fault you cannot repay, you have still made a contract, and if I do not take your house, I will be unable to pay my bills and will lose my own house. Thus, you will do me harm."

So, FOTLers, the questions present themselves:

* What action should be taken?
* Who should decide this action to be taken?
* How shall it be enforced?

Let's hear it.
 
tsig said:
There does seem to be some wiggle room on the color.

Canon 1557
An Ecclesiastical Deed Poll must always be on standard (legal/A4) sized robin-egg blue/sky blue/pastel colored paper, printed in serif (times/garamond) font, in recognition and respect of its status as a Divine Notice with the full authority of One Heaven.
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A quick search doesn't show me a font simply named "Times", so I have to assume with some amusement that, given their nonsense, they're purposefully leaving off the "Roman".
 
remirol said:
So, FOTLers, the questions present themselves:

* What action should be taken?

Let's hear it.
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Make them both live in the same house (it will be rent-free of course, as there's no other outside party with a financial stake in the dwelling), then film the resultant hyjinks for a new Reality TV Show: Free Gimps in Da Houze!
 
I guess before 1931, you had to use Garamond, since Times Roman didn't exist. Presumably even this option had to wait for the invention of movable type.
 
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