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The Fox News Presidency

carlitos said:
Jesus Christ. Nielsen and the cable companies aren’t faking the ratings. Take that nonsense to the Conspiracy Theory subforum.

This is actually the plot of a bad 80’s movie. Danny DeVito gives the Nielsen households free vacations and the mob sits in their homes watching their horrible show into a ratings blockbuster via controlling the Nielsen people meters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ratings_Game
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Hilarious, I'm sure. And I didn't say Nielsen are doing it. Far from it. No conspiracy; some TV networks seem to get different results in their screens compared to other TV networks yet they work from the same base data. Fox seem to like "adjusting" stuff - see that image of one of their critics they wanted to pillory? A bit of light photoshopping seemed fine. And if they would do that with an image to enhance their propaganda, why not viewer data.

So no reason why the same "adjustments" to their viewer data before it goes outside the walls. Does it? Don't know, but I would not put it past them. In other words, I would not trust the validity of Fox viewer data as far as I could roll it with my left hand.
 
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You're looking at this from one side only.
Remember the advertisers want to ensure that they are getting value for money, so would be very aware of the potential for shenanigans. And if they ever found out there were, then the network in question can kiss a sizeable chunk of their advertising budget bye-bye.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Hilarious, I'm sure. And I didn't say Nielsen are doing it. Far from it. No conspiracy; some TV networks seem to get different results in their screens compared to other TV networks yet they work from the same base data. Fox seem to like "adjusting" stuff - see that image of one of their critics they wanted to pillory? A bit of light photoshopping seemed fine. And if they would do that with an image to enhance their propaganda, why not viewer data.

So no reason why the same "adjustments" to their viewer data before it goes outside the walls. Does it? Don't know, but I would not put it past them. In other words, I would not trust the validity of Fox viewer data as far as I could roll it with my left hand.
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I really don’t understand what you mean about TV networks “getting different results with their screens.” Maybe you can elaborate, I do have a little knowledge on this subject.



No one here has believed or referenced Fox regarding viewer data. What they say or spin has no bearing on anything. Viewer data is syndicated outside of their control.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
In other words, it's all via software. So what is to stop a cable company putting on a whole lot of virtual cable boxes to manipulate the counts of their "viewers" and "program watches" in any direction they choose?
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There is an entire Family Guy episode devoted to that concept and after Peter is able to be a kingmaker TV gets really stupid.
 
ponderingturtle said:
The white supremacist talking points is a major part of his show, you don't need to unearth audio for that.
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That's the main problem here. If he weren't the host of the Tucker Carlson White Power Hour, and he just came out and said "It was a morning shock jock show, everything I said there was a joke in keeping with that format.", I'd shrug my shoulders and be fine with it. I know some wouldn't, and if he loses his job, he'd still be a wealthy guy who could find another one.

But it wasn't a decade ago when he was yammering about how immigrants make America "poorer and dirtier", fearmongering about the caravan, and so forth. And yesterday he called Brian Stelter "the Zucker puppet" (bad news given that Zucker is jewish) The reason I think he wasn't kidding on this Spongebob show (whatever it's called), is that he's still saying the same sort of thing today, aside from maybe defending child rape.
 
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carlitos said:
I really don’t understand what you mean about TV networks “getting different results with their screens.” Maybe you can elaborate, I do have a little knowledge on this subject.
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Phone poll outcomes and election popularity reporting are regularly mis-stated in Murdoch media here. There have been instances of Fox staff being the "general populace" in their own phone campaigns. It's a running joke most of the time.



No one here has believed or referenced Fox regarding viewer data. What they say or spin has no bearing on anything. Viewer data is syndicated outside of their control.
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Cable connection and usage data is not out of their control. That's their business. So who is to say that the number of viewers is REALLY the number of viewers. In a business where these numbers really count for revenue and in a company culture that obviously has only a loose connection with the truth and a megalomaniac boss... Maybe they are above board. But as I said, I would not trust them at all to be accurate.
 
You’re confusing the cable network with the cable or satellite provider. Repeating — what Fox ever chooses to say about their ratings has no bearing on anything. It would be as meaningless as a slogan like “fair and balanced.”

Fudging content is within their control. Fudging ratings is not.
 
carlitos said:
You’re confusing the cable network with the cable or satellite provider. Repeating — what Fox ever chooses to say about their ratings has no bearing on anything. It would be as meaningless as a slogan like “fair and balanced.”

Fudging content is within their control. Fudging ratings is not.
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What is to stop Fox installing a couple hundred of their cable boxes in a warehouse and tuning them to Fox and Friends and Hannity and all those guys they want to promote 24x7 on repeat? They are rich so they can afford it. Each repeat may count as another view count.

Technically possible?
 
lmao they don't have to do that...

They have an entire population of rednecks who have been brainwashed since birth into believing that a 2000 year old fantasy novel was actually not fantasy and that there is a zombie sky daddy.

All they literally have to do is be the network (and party) that acts like they believe in the faerie tale as well and they are golden.
 
This is The End said:
lmao they don't have to do that...

They have an entire population of rednecks who have been brainwashed since birth into believing that a 2000 year old fantasy novel was actually not fantasy and that there is a zombie sky daddy.

All they literally have to do is be the network (and party) that acts like they believe in the faerie tale as well and they are golden.
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Indeed so. :p

The thing is, if they can theoretically set up a warehouse of unattended cable modems, i.e. virtualise the viewers, the next logical step is to virtualise the cable modems as well. And if THAT is possible, and I know it is, it's easy enough to create tens of thousands of virtual "customers" in a cheap backroom setup. Voila - viewer numbers up to improve the stats, and all watching the Tucker C ****-Show or whomever they want to promote this week. There's big, BIG advertising money in those numbers...don't think they wouldn't try something like this. ;)
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Indeed so. :p

The thing is, if they can theoretically set up a warehouse of unattended cable modems, i.e. virtualise the viewers, the next logical step is to virtualise the cable modems as well. And if THAT is possible, and I know it is, it's easy enough to create tens of thousands of virtual "customers" in a cheap backroom setup. Voila - viewer numbers up to improve the stats, and all watching the Tucker C ****-Show or whomever they want to promote this week. There's big, BIG advertising money in those numbers...don't think they wouldn't try something like this. ;)
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Always keep mind that Faux News is owed by the Murdoch family... in other words, Rupert Murdoch.

Rupert Murdoch is a despicable individual. He owned a newspaper called "News of the World". This scumbag had no hesitation in authorising the people who worked for him to do whatever it takes to get the story - and this included having people who work for him hack the mobile phone of a murdered teenager, Amanda Dowler.

Glenn Mulcaire, an investigator working for Murdoch's organisation, hacked into her voicemail while she was a missing person. He intercepted messages left by relatives and deleted some to make room for more. The missing messages gave her parents false hope that she was still alive.

They are scum, and if they would stoop this low, I have no doubt whatsoever that they would do something like fiddling the viewing statistics.
 
carlitos said:
Jesus Christ. Nielsen and the cable companies aren’t faking the ratings. Take that nonsense to the Conspiracy Theory subforum.

This is actually the plot of a bad 80’s movie. Danny DeVito gives the Nielsen households free vacations and the mob sits in their homes watching their horrible show into a ratings blockbuster via controlling the Nielsen people meters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ratings_Game
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Travis said:
There is an entire Family Guy episode devoted to that concept and after Peter is able to be a kingmaker TV gets really stupid.
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You guys after doing the "Simpsons did it" meme wrong.
 
Norman Alexander said:
What is to stop Fox installing a couple hundred of their cable boxes in a warehouse and tuning them to Fox and Friends and Hannity and all those guys they want to promote 24x7 on repeat? They are rich so they can afford it. Each repeat may count as another view count.

Technically possible?
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You are "just asking questions" now. Please continue in the CT forum if you like.
 
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