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The Fox News Presidency

After forced contrition fails, the semi-literate primitive monkeys double down on their attack.
 
carlitos said:
If anything, it would be occasional. Fox is still the #1 basic cable network in total viewers for both prime time and total day. Maybe MSNBC won a few time periods in the prime demographic 25-54, or something like that.
From the same source as you linked - use the search function for "basic cable ranker" to see more detailed info.


Basic Cable Top 10 (Prime Time)

Fox News (2,453,000)
MSNBC (2,091,000)
HGTV (1,260,000)



Basic Cable Top 10 (Total Day)

Fox News (1,480,000)
MSNBC (1,246,000)
CNN (812,000)
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Out of curiosity, how do they actually measure these numbers?
 
The Disney acquisition of Fox Studios becomes final on March 20th.
SO now I can go to see a Fox movie without fear that some of my ticket price will go to support that cesspool knows as Fox News. That is one of ups of the deal.
 

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Norman Alexander said:
Out of curiosity, how do they actually measure these numbers?
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In the old days, you actually filled out a paper diary for Nielsen, then they mutiplied the diaries to project audience by demographic and geography. Then they moved to people meters, which is a box on the television. Now, it's a compilation of data from cable / satellite service providers, augmented by some surveying. With "cable" it's a lot easier to measure vs. over-the-air, since the signal goes through company equipment most of the time.

The numbers themselves are average total viewers for any given time during the time period selected. So "total day" is midnight to 11:59 PM.
 
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carlitos said:
In the old days, you actually filled out a paper diary for Nielsen, then they mutiplied the diaries to project audience by demographic and geography. Then they moved to people meters, which is a box on the television. Now, it's a compilation of data from cable / satellite service providers, augmented by some surveying. With "cable" it's a lot easier to measure vs. over-the-air, since the signal goes through company equipment most of the time.

The numbers themselves are average total viewers for any given time during the time period selected. So "total day" is midnight to 11:59 PM.
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Thought as much.

So if I wanted to push up some viewing numbers without having to have real live viewers connected, how easy might that be? Especially if you own the cable network through which the services run?
 
Interesting guest yesterday on Ari Melber's show "The Beat" on MSNBC

Nancy Erika Smith, the attorney representing former Fox News reporter Diana Falzone.

She says that Falzone is under an NDA from Fox news, but she dropped a giant sized hint, that an NDA is trumped by a subpnoena, and she suggested that Congress could subpoena her client, because she can deal the dirt on the Stormy Daniels hush-money.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/attorne...ked-maybe-congress-should-subpoena-my-client/

Things just keep going from bad to worse Dumpster 45
 
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carlitos said:
In the old days, you actually filled out a paper diary for Nielsen, then they mutiplied the diaries to project audience by demographic and geography. Then they moved to people meters, which is a box on the television. Now, it's a compilation of data from cable / satellite service providers, augmented by some surveying. With "cable" it's a lot easier to measure vs. over-the-air, since the signal goes through company equipment most of the time.

The numbers themselves are average total viewers for any given time during the time period selected. So "total day" is midnight to 11:59 PM.
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When did they change to electronic version? Because they asked me back in 2010 to be a Nielsen family, and it was all paper diaries. I ended up not doing it because it was so much paperwork.
 
Stacko said:

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And it wasn't the only one.

Fox News airs altered photos of NY Times reporters
During a segment in which Fox & Friends co-hosts Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade labeled New York Times reporter Jacques Steinberg and editor Steven Reddicliffe "attack dogs," Fox News featured photos of Steinberg and Reddicliffe that appeared to have been digitally altered -- the journalists' teeth had been yellowed, their facial features exaggerated, and portions of Reddicliffe's hair moved further back on his head.
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TragicMonkey said:
When did they change to electronic version? Because they asked me back in 2010 to be a Nielsen family, and it was all paper diaries. I ended up not doing it because it was so much paperwork.
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I would think now your TV and cable boxes collect and send data on what you watch.

Every place companies can collect data they do and subsequently sell it: Surveillance Capitalism.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
In other words, it's all via software. So what is to stop a cable company putting on a whole lot of virtual cable boxes to manipulate the counts of their "viewers" and "program watches" in any direction they choose?
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Not sure that's profitable, but if there's a way to monetize, it's possible.

What's to stop the Neilsen company from taking kickbacks?
 
Segnosaur said:
So, Fox news has:

- Pirro's bigotry exposed
- Tucker Carlson's misogeny and defense of child sex exposed
- Laura Ingraham has lost sponsorship over the past few years over her attacks of survivors of a Florida school shooting.
- Hannity has been tied (marginally) to Cohen, and spoke at a Trump rally (which of course illustrates that he cannot be considered an unbiased newscaster)
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Hannity never was a FOX newscaster, was he? He's on the opinion side of things there.

That's not to say it's reasonable for him to appear at a rally, but it's not as bad as if it was someone like, oh, Judy Woodruff doing the same. (Honestly, had real trouble coming up with the name of a TV anchor there without Googling -- she was the only one I could think of.)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Not sure that's profitable, but if there's a way to monetize, it's possible.
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Advertising pays, bigly. And advertising pull is based on watchers. More watchers = more advertising pull = more revenue. Simples.

What's to stop the Neilsen company from taking kickbacks?
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Neilsen don't get to see the numbers until the cable companies feed it to them. While there may be millions of real-life cable customers, a bit of software pretending to be millions more allegedly watching programs the cable company would like to promote can be easily fed into the system as well. There's tons of "loading" software for putting stress on systems that could be quickly and easily adapted to do this.

But would a cable company do this? Hell yeah, if it accomplished what their megalomaniac boss wanted! :rolleyes:
 
Norman Alexander said:
Advertising pays, bigly. And advertising pull is based on watchers. More watchers = more advertising pull = more revenue. Simples.

Neilsen don't get to see the numbers until the cable companies feed it to them. While there may be millions of real-life cable customers, a bit of software pretending to be millions more allegedly watching programs the cable company would like to promote can be easily fed into the system as well. There's tons of "loading" software for putting stress on systems that could be quickly and easily adapted to do this.

But would a cable company do this? Hell yeah, if it accomplished what their megalomaniac boss wanted! :rolleyes:
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"Surveillance capitalism" puts another layer in there. Not only are advertisers looking for platforms they might encounter certain customers on, they are also interested in buying data that identifies certain aspects of those individual customers which identifies how to market to them.

IOW: Data mining to design the sales pitch plus finding the platforms to reach those customers.
 
Jesus Christ. Nielsen and the cable companies aren’t faking the ratings. Take that nonsense to the Conspiracy Theory subforum.

This is actually the plot of a bad 80’s movie. Danny DeVito gives the Nielsen households free vacations and the mob sits in their homes watching their horrible show into a ratings blockbuster via controlling the Nielsen people meters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ratings_Game
 
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