Ed The Fascism Checklist, Trump 2025

[The Don]

They are disappearing people off the streets with people not in uniform and unmarked cars. It is just a matter of time until they try to disappear an armed individual not afraid to defend themselves.
If a person is not in uniform and doesn't present a warrant and/or doesn't have probable cause, is it illegal to resist?

Yes. To resist is a terrorist offence and in the unlikely event that they survive the altercation, they'll face the death penalty.

 

[Darat]

Because it's not sincere. Trump and his oligarch pals are happy to use the tools of fascism to achieve their ends (looting the US and making themselves even richer) but it's just a means to an end, none of them care about building a nationalistic regime that will last for a thousand years. Most of them are older than middle-aged, if everything collapses one minute after their own deaths they'd be fine with it. They will have gotten theirs, ◊◊◊◊ everyone else.

The actual fascist ideologues that support Trump do so because they either think (mistakenly) that he shares their beliefs, or --more likely, in my opinion-- they think they can use the kleptocrats to achieve their ends just as the kleptocrats are using the fascists. I think they're wrong about that-- money is power, and the actual fascists just don't have it. They're tools, and get discarded when not in use. They'll tell themselves they're achieving great victories when Trump gets Sesame Street cancelled because of "DEI", but will have no response to Trump gutting the subsidies that keep their farms operating.

I'm with you in that the fascist alignment is to get what they want which is wealth, control and power, they don't really have an ideology beyond that. Fascism is simple a way to get that. Remember the likes of Hitler and Mussolini only used fascism to get what they wanted.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

They are disappearing people off the streets with people not in uniform and unmarked cars. It is just a matter of time until they try to disappear an armed individual not afraid to defend themselves.

You're absolutely 100% sure to also have masked human traffickers, sex offenders, and other kidnappers 'arresting' their victims in broad daylight, counting on citizens to not dare to intervene. In fact another possibility also occurs to me, gravy seal-type militia groups disappearing minorities or political opponents off the streets under the guise of being police officers*. All sorts of horrible people are going to have a great time abusing this system in the time to come.

*eta In fact, thinking about it, I've been predicting Dump and Elonia giving fascist/MAGA militias the authority to make arrests. Why have a formal SA-style organization when you can just outsource the job to your local gravy seals?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Yes. To resist is a terrorist offence and in the unlikely event that they survive the altercation, they'll face the death penalty.

I'm asking the legal ramifications, not what The Regime would do. Someone who isn't in uniform and has no warrant is not any different than a criminal who kidnaps people.

 

[thaiboxerken]

You're absolutely 100% sure to also have masked human traffickers, sex offenders, and other kidnappers 'arresting' their victims in broad daylight, counting on citizens to not dare to intervene. In fact another possibility also occurs to me, gravy seal-type militia groups disappearing minorities or political opponents off the streets under the guise of being police officers*. All sorts of horrible people are going to have a great time abusing this system in the time to come.

*eta In fact, thinking about it, I've been predicting Dump and Elonia giving fascist/MAGA militias the authority to make arrests. Why have a formal SA-style organization when you can just outsource the job to your local gravy seals?

There are already incidences of people falsely claiming to be ICE trying to detain people.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Dump's facists should keep in mind that both Hitler and Stalin famously started their reigns of tyranny by killing off the most devoted supporters of the cause. If I was a True Believer in the fascist/Nazi cause I'd take heed and keep my eyes open for a Night of the Long Fangs. Maybe work and sleep at an undisclosed location, keep a low profile,
jump and reach for my assault rifle at the slighest sound outside, that sort of thing.

You think they don't do that already? I remember a few years ago a relatively sane sounding conservative member of this board writing about how there was nothing odd or worrying on a personal or social level about him feeling the need to hide several handguns around his home so there was always a lethal weapon to hand.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

They are disappearing people off the streets with people not in uniform and unmarked cars. It is just a matter of time until they try to disappear an armed individual not afraid to defend themselves.
If a person is not in uniform and doesn't present a warrant and/or doesn't have probable cause, is it illegal to resist?

IIRC non citizens don't have 2nd amendment rights & aren't generally able to legally carry firearms (I may be wrong, if so please correct me). So a person defending themselves in a (from a US perspective) perfectly legal way will be criminalised.

 

[Manopolus]

If a person is not in uniform and doesn't present a warrant and/or doesn't have probable cause, is it illegal to resist?

No. Doing so will probably get your family a wrongful death suit, but no convictions against the police. At best.

I don't know what happens if you actually win a gun fight in this situation. I've never heard of that happening. I've only heard of it failing, and it pretty much always results in injury or death for the person resisting.

They generally outnumber you, for one. They won't make the move until they do. And there are probably one or two more nearby that you don't even see.

 

[Norman Alexander]

IIRC non citizens don't have 2nd amendment rights & aren't generally able to legally carry firearms (I may be wrong, if so please correct me). So a person defending themselves in a (from a US perspective) perfectly legal way will be criminalised.

Incorrect. Legally arrived people in the USA have all constitutional rights. That includes tourists.

 

[Norman Alexander]

No. Doing so will probably get your family a wrongful death suit, but no convictions against the police. At best.

I don't know what happens if you actually win a gun fight in this situation. I've never heard of that happening. I've only heard of it failing, and it pretty much always results in injury or death for the person resisting.

I think there is are levels of resistance slightly lower than shooting a potential kidnapper to death.

 

[bruto]

IIRC non citizens don't have 2nd amendment rights & aren't generally able to legally carry firearms (I may be wrong, if so please correct me). So a person defending themselves in a (from a US perspective) perfectly legal way will be criminalised.

That seems to be a gray area. It is agreed by most that undocumented aliens are not entitled to the second amendment, while it is disputed whether legal non-permanent aliens are (as they are indeed entitled to other rights, and many at least would not consider the right to bear arms as a minor or secondary one, for reasons you're free to wonder about, and to argue the virtue of). It is generally held that resident aliens are covered by the constitution's "the people," and do have that right, even though there are some others that they, as well as non-permanent visitors do not (for example being a card carrying communist, presumably because being a communist is a bar to immigration in the first place).

That's a very cursory account. If you want to go further, take a pickaxe and a headlight. The rabbit hole is deep.

 

[Manopolus]

I think there is are levels of resistance slightly lower than shooting a potential kidnapper to death.

Of course. But an "armed individual" was mentioned in the unquoted part of the post I was responding to. Perhaps I should have just quoted the whole thing.

My preferred method of resistance would be to flail my arms wildly and burst out into song! Not that it'd do any good. It'd just make it look a little less pathetic.

 

[Norman Alexander]

That seems to be a gray area. It is agreed by most that undocumented aliens are not entitled to the second amendment, while it is disputed whether legal non-permanent aliens are (as they are indeed entitled to other rights, and many at least would not consider the right to bear arms as a minor or secondary one, for reasons you're free to wonder about, and to argue the virtue of). It is generally held that resident aliens are covered by the constitution's "the people," and do have that right, even though there are some others that they, as well as non-permanent visitors do not (for example being a card carrying communist, presumably because being a communist is a bar to immigration in the first place).

That's a very cursory account. If you want to go further, take a pickaxe and a headlight. The rabbit hole is deep.

Yep, a rabbit hole.

I will just mention that plenty of tourists, including communist Chinese citizens, can visit gun ranges in Nevada and Texas, hire an automatic weapon of their choice and a bucket of ammo, and legally blaze away.

And last time I was in the USA, I was offered a handgun for sale in a store (it was in LV) even though I made it clear I was an Australian citizen.

My impression was these situations were both legal.

Anyway, back to the channel!

 

[Norman Alexander]

Of course. But an "armed individual" was mentioned in the unquoted part of the post I was responding to. Perhaps I should have just quoted the whole thing.

My preferred method of resistance would be to flail my arms wildly and burst out into song! Not that it'd do any good. It'd just make it look a little less pathetic.

I have some karate skillz. At the very least, there would be a few broken bones. And lots of yelling for the police. After they caught me because I can still run.

 

[Manopolus]

I have some karate skillz. At the very least, there would be a few broken bones. And lots of yelling for the police. After they caught me because I can still run.

In my case, I'm usually the biggest badass within visual range, but I'm also usually pretty easy to ambush. I'm typically paying more attention to something inside my head than I am to my surroundings.

But I'm also a white guy from Kansas, so it wouldn't happen to me, anyway. The last time I was arrested, I was asked point blank whether it would require handcuffs. I said no and rode calmly in the passenger seat of the cop car to the station. Of course, I've never been arrested for anything serious.

 

[arthwollipot]

I'm with you in that the fascist alignment is to get what they want which is wealth, control and power, they don't really have an ideology beyond that. Fascism is simple a way to get that. Remember the likes of Hitler and Mussolini only used fascism to get what they wanted.

Do you know what they call people who use fascism to get what they want?

Fascists.

 

[Stacyhs]

President Donald Trump did not rule out the possibility of seeking a third term in the White House, which is prohibited by the Constitution under the 22nd Amendment, saying in an exclusive interview with NBC News that there were methods for doing so and clarifying that he was "not joking."
"A lot of people want me to do it," Trump said in a Sunday-morning phone call with NBC News, referring to his allies. "But, I mean, I basically tell them we have a long way to go, you know, it's very early in the administration."

Nah, he's not playing right out of the Fascist playbook at all.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

"A lot of people want me to do it," Trump said in a Sunday-morning phone call with NBC News, referring to his allies. "But, I mean, I basically tell them we have a long way to go, you know, it's very early in the administration."

Saying the quiet part out loud. "We're just getting started dismantling democracy, there's a lot of work still to be done!"

 

[The Great Zaganza]

If Trump doesn't finish all the work he has to do in his second term, we HAVE to give him a third!

 

[Manopolus]

If Trump doesn't finish all the work he has to do in his second term, we HAVE to give him a third!

As I said in another thread, if Trump even tries to overstay the one term he gets, I will literally start killing people if there's a chance it'll do any good. Not that I'm much to work with. But there is no freaking way I'd accept that. It's one of my red lines (not the only one).

That's not a terroristic threat or anything similar. It's just that if that happens, we already don't have a country anymore. The Constitution is quite clear on this matter.

Exception: If The Constitution is amended. That's what it would require to do it legally. But he'll never have the votes to do that. Anything less would be just a lame justification that isn't as legal as he pretends it is (his favorite trick). If I had to guess, his "way of doing it" would involve martial law and war powers. It would basically have to.

To be honest, I suspect that he'll be gone long before a 3rd term is even a consideration. He won't even finish his 2nd the way things are going. Even MAGA voters aren't nearly as crazy as the crap he's doing in the long run. He doesn't have that level of political capital to spare.

So yeah... adamant that I (and I'm sure many others) won't accept it, but not that worried yet. He's basically just a deranged old man that lost the filter that is supposed to keep these pipe dreams from exiting his pie hole. I'm not sure what's up with the cultlike devotion in his immediate circle (guessing maybe blackmail?), but the Republican voter base isn't actually quite as cult-like as they're sometimes being accused of.

And to be honest, I think half his own party is just trying to give him enough rope to hang himself with.