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Ed The Fascism Checklist, Trump 2025

johnny karate said:
Really hard not to notice that all the naysayers who come out in force earlier in this thread seemed to have lost their enthusiasm for naysaying.
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Their lack of honesty is a bit irritating, though. They clearly love the current regime and they've clearly given up all pretense that it's not fascist, so why not come right out and say so? It'd be proud if my preferred kind of government finally took root in a new country. Your side brought about fascism and you seem to love that. Own it.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Their lack of honesty is a bit irritating, though. They clearly love the current regime and they've clearly given up all pretense that it's not fascist, so why not come right out and say so? It'd be proud if my preferred kind of government finally took root in a new country. Your side brought about fascism and you seem to love that. Own it.
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i would assume a fascist is inherently liar
 
Safe-Keeper said:
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
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He'll probably try to abolish minimum wage and unions soon.
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Just yesterday he signed an Executive Order that added a very large number of agencies to the list of US government agencies that are now exempt from labour relations law: Exclusions from Federal Labor-Management Relations Programs. How much of the existing civil service the covers I don't know and don't have the time to investigate.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Their lack of honesty is a bit irritating, though. They clearly love the current regime and they've clearly given up all pretense that it's not fascist, so why not come right out and say so? It'd be proud if my preferred kind of government finally took root in a new country. Your side brought about fascism and you seem to love that. Own it.
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Modern day fascists and nazis are too cowardly to come out and admit to their political ideology.
 
It is a weird, lame ideology of being proud of and wanting to defend something with their lives that nonetheless they are too scared to spell out.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Their lack of honesty is a bit irritating, though. They clearly love the current regime and they've clearly given up all pretense that it's not fascist, so why not come right out and say so? It'd be proud if my preferred kind of government finally took root in a new country. Your side brought about fascism and you seem to love that. Own it.
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What you're expecting, vainly I think, is a level of honesty that is inherently unrealistic.

This is of course a matter of opinion, but I think many of the supporters of fascism, while they see the benefits to themselves and their prejudices, also know, at some level, how wrong they are. Fascism is, after all, wrong and evil and based to a great extent on lies and bigotry. It's a vice of which one is unlikely to be publicly proud, and those who are not just plain stupid are likely to realize too that it cannot last. They promote it and enjoy it and prefer it but are reluctant to admit what it is, or what they really like about it, because they want the opportunity to disavow it if they're caught with their figurative pants down. They never really supported it, they were in the underground, they joined the party only because they had to, they didn't know the dirty details, some of their best friends were...etc.

You can't shuck your responsibility if you accept it.
 
bruto said:
What you're expecting, vainly I think, is a level of honesty that is inherently unrealistic.
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No, I more or less consistently expect fascists and Nazis to not dare say out loud they're fascists or Nazis.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
No, I more or less consistently expect fascists and Nazis to not dare say out loud they're fascists or Nazis.
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Why would they, when they are patriots and defenders of Civilisation, which (more or less unfortunately) cannot be done without breaking eggs.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Getting back to the subject of this thread:
Creating a military leadership that has personal loyalty to the president rather than loyalty to the nation or constitution seems to be proceeding at a disturbing pace.
Suppression of the arts is also underway, as the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, which is now run by the president and his lackeys, cancelled the entire run of a play that was about vaccinations.
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I think it's about time somebody stands up for the fascists, I mean, other than the usual suspects. Suppression of the arts is one thing, and, okay, I give you that one; the Nazis did do that.
However, It is grossly unfair to compare Trump to Hitler on the issue of vaccinations!
Anti-vaxxers try to rewrite history, but the truth about Nazis and vaccines was not clear-cut (Telegraph, Nov 19, 2021)
Vaccine scepticism was alive and well during Hitler's tyranny, but historical detail shows his regime shied away from enforcing inoculation
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But while Hitler opposed vaccination for conquered peoples, the truth is he did support compulsory vaccination for his German “master race".
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Adolf Hitler would never have appointed RFK Jr. as the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
This unfounded defamation of Hitler has to stop!
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Die Geschichte des Impfens und seiner Gegner (NDR.de, Nov 2, 2022)
The History of Immunization and Its Opponents
 
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dann said:
I think it's about time somebody stands up for the fascists, I mean, other than the usual suspects. Suppression of the arts is one thing, and, okay, I give you that one; the Nazis did do that.
However, It is grossly unfair to compare Trump to Hitler on the issue of vaccinations!

Adolf Hitler would never have appointed RFK Jr. as the Secretary of Health and Human Services. This unfounded defamation of Hitler has to stop!
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Die Geschichte des Impfens und seiner Gegner (NDR.de, Nov 2, 2022)
The History of Immunization and Its Opponents
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But he would have appointed him head of someone else's! Think how much money they could have saved on gas..
 
Fascism and racism was a big part of MAGA. But not all. They really did want some benefits for themselves. A few even imagined jobs coming back from Asia.

What is the future of MAGA past 2028? Will this be an actual political force then? I can't see this going past Trump. The Proejct 2025 will hang on their gains of destroyed governmnet agencies. They will support a good number of senators.

But... I do not see this as a Hitler scale coherent effort. Too many parts. The deportations will continue but we sure do not have the funds to deport 2-4 million. And Trump has failed to use to use the army. So far.
 
dirtywick said:
even their fascism is half assed
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Because it's not sincere. Trump and his oligarch pals are happy to use the tools of fascism to achieve their ends (looting the US and making themselves even richer) but it's just a means to an end, none of them care about building a nationalistic regime that will last for a thousand years. Most of them are older than middle-aged, if everything collapses one minute after their own deaths they'd be fine with it. They will have gotten theirs, ◊◊◊◊ everyone else.

The actual fascist ideologues that support Trump do so because they either think (mistakenly) that he shares their beliefs, or --more likely, in my opinion-- they think they can use the kleptocrats to achieve their ends just as the kleptocrats are using the fascists. I think they're wrong about that-- money is power, and the actual fascists just don't have it. They're tools, and get discarded when not in use. They'll tell themselves they're achieving great victories when Trump gets Sesame Street cancelled because of "DEI", but will have no response to Trump gutting the subsidies that keep their farms operating.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Because it's not sincere. Trump and his oligarch pals are happy to use the tools of fascism to achieve their ends (looting the US and making themselves even richer) but it's just a means to an end, none of them care about building a nationalistic regime that will last for a thousand years. Most of them are older than middle-aged, if everything collapses one minute after their own deaths they'd be fine with it. They will have gotten theirs, ◊◊◊◊ everyone else.

The actual fascist ideologues that support Trump do so because they either think (mistakenly) that he shares their beliefs, or --more likely, in my opinion-- they think they can use the kleptocrats to achieve their ends just as the kleptocrats are using the fascists. I think they're wrong about that-- money is power, and the actual fascists just don't have it. They're tools, and get discarded when not in use. They'll tell themselves they're achieving great victories when Trump gets Sesame Street cancelled because of "DEI", but will have no response to Trump gutting the subsidies that keep their farms operating.
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Dump's facists should keep in mind that both Hitler and Stalin famously started their reigns of tyranny by killing off the most devoted supporters of the cause. If I was a True Believer in the fascist/Nazi cause I'd take heed and keep my eyes open for a Night of the Long Fangs. Maybe work and sleep at an undisclosed location, keep a low profile, jump and reach for my assault rifle at the slighest sound outside, that sort of thing.
 
They are disappearing people off the streets with people not in uniform and unmarked cars. It is just a matter of time until they try to disappear an armed individual not afraid to defend themselves.
If a person is not in uniform and doesn't present a warrant and/or doesn't have probable cause, is it illegal to resist?
 
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