The End Of The World

[AdMan]

Nope nice try though. Gods an alien, the primordial evil is as smart as hell. The co-creator is tough and cunning. The human creation is the smallest fraction.

Wut

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Wut

That's what I said! Doesn't that suck?

 

[Robin]

The skeptical often think that, according to the Bible, the end would come within the lifetime of Jesus' listeners. It is a mistake to conclude this. They mistake the transfiguration, the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus being at the right hand of power, and John's Revelation at Patmos.

Matthew 16:28 - Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (Also see Mark 9:1 / Luke 9:27)

The fact is that in the very next verse Matthew reveals that just 6 days later this prophecy was fulfilled. Peter, James and John witnessed the transfiguration. (Matthew 17:1-2 / Luke 9:27-36 / 2 Peter 1:16-18)

Ah, so all those Christians waiting for Jesus to come to his kingdom are wasting their time? It has already happened.

Shall you tell them or shall I?

 

[Robin]

I like your avatar though.

 

[Johnny Marseilles]

Ah, so all those Christians waiting for Jesus to come to his kingdom are wasting their time? It has already happened.

Shall you tell them or shall I?

I've tried. When people get to believin' there is no helping them.

When Jesus told his followers that the world would see him no more, that should have been a clue. When the Bible says that his sacrifice was for once and all time, how could his body be resurrected in the flesh? Why didn't his followers recognize him when he came back after parts of three days in the tomb? Because he had another body.

When I was 8 years old, and a confirmed atheist who thought all religious people were nuts I got into an argument over this with a little old Jehovah's Witness. At the time they taught that Jesus used his original body and though I had never even looked at a Bible I told her, based on her own account, that their thinking was ridiculous. Later they would change their teaching in agreement with my argument to her.

 

[Johnny Marseilles]

I like your avatar though.

Isn't it adorable?! Thanks

 

[Marduk]

I have no illussions regarding my knowing everything. That is far from the truth. That large parts of Genesis is based on Mesopotamian texts is propaganda at least and at best a really poor attempt at scholarship, especially regarding chronology, archeology and astronomical calculations. .

really, thats clear then that you haven't studied any mesopotamian text, when you want to get back to me, I'll point you to some which are word for word the same as their biblical counterparts, except the mesopotamian versions are around 1500 years older,

Hebrew, of course.

Hebrew didn't exist then, Hebrew flourished as a spoken language in the kingdoms of Israel and Judah during the 10th to 7th centuries BCE
so you'd need a time machine to make that work

 

[Johnny Marseilles]

really, thats clear then that you haven't studied any mesopotamian text, when you want to get back to me, I'll point you to some which are word for word the same as their biblical counterparts, except the mesopotamian versions are around 1500 years older,

Hebrew didn't exist then, Hebrew flourished as a spoken language in the kingdoms of Israel and Judah during the 10th to 7th centuries BCE
so you'd need a time machine to make that work

Uh-huh, by what calculation is this established? I don't even need to know what text you are talking about, just explain the logic underling that conclusion, please?

 

[Marduk]

Uh-huh, by what calculation is this established? I don't even need to know what text you are talking about, just explain the logic underling that conclusion, please?

the books of Genesis are not as old as you think they are
the general consensus amongst biblical scholars are that they date between the 10th to 5th century B.C.E. whereas most of the source mesopotamian text were original from 2300bce

Only fundamentalists believe that Moses wrote them during the exodus in a language that didn't exist for another 500 years, thats because fundamentalists disregard evidence that doesn't agree with their belief

Time for you to decide, are you a scholar, or a fruit loop ?


maybe you could just tell me what date this was written ?

When a seventh day arrived
I sent forth a dove and released it.
The dove went off, but came back to me;
no perch was visible so it circled back to me.
I sent forth a swallow and released it.
The swallow went off, but came back to me;
no perch was visible so it circled back to me.
I sent forth a raven and released it.
The raven went off, and saw the waters slither back.
It eats, it scratches, it bobs, but does not circle back to me.

 

[Robin]

I've tried. When people get to believin' there is no helping them.

Save me the bluster and stick to the facts

When Jesus told his followers that the world would see him no more, that should have been a clue. When the Bible says that his sacrifice was for once and all time, how could his body be resurrected in the flesh? Why didn't his followers recognize him when he came back after parts of three days in the tomb? Because he had another body.

I am not sure what you think the relevance of that is. What does the matter of which case of flesh Jesus decided to wear for his resurrection have to do with the question in hand?

We have the text:

27 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.” Luke 9:26-27​

And your claim that this prophecy was fulfilled by the Transfiguration, six days later.

I was just pointing out that there are a lot of Christians waiting on the Kingdom of God and they are going to be a tad disappointed when they found out they have missed it.

I don't really think that your interpretation holds water. Firstly "some who are standing here will not taste death before..." is a slightly over dramatic way of saying "six days from now". Is he saying that some of them will die in the next six days?

And secondly, Jesus' instructions to his disciples after this event imply that the Kingdom of God has not come yet, for example:

When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is offered to you. 9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ 10 But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.​

 

[PixyMisa]

Uh-huh, by what calculation is this established? I don't even need to know what text you are talking about, just explain the logic underling that conclusion, please?

Since Hebrew didn't exist as a written language before the 10th century BCE, Genesis couldn't have been written in Hebrew in the 16th century BCE.

It's not really that complicated.

 

[Johnny Marseilles]

Since Hebrew didn't exist as a written language before the 10th century BCE, Genesis couldn't have been written in Hebrew in the 16th century BCE.

It's not really that complicated.

What I would like to see is some evidence to that effect. That's not really that complicated, is it?

 

[Marduk]

What I would like to see is some evidence to that effect. That's not really that complicated, is it?

you were just given the evidence, why did you ignore the link, here it is again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language#Oldest_Hebrew_inscriptions
are you reverting to type

Only fundamentalists believe that Moses wrote them during the exodus in a language that didn't exist for another 500 years, thats because fundamentalists disregard evidence that doesn't agree with their belief

Five lines of ancient script on a shard of pottery could be the oldest example of Hebrew writing ever discovered, an archaeologist in Israel says.

The shard was found by a teenage volunteer during a dig about 20km (12 miles) south-west of Jerusalem.

Experts at Hebrew University said dating showed it was written 3,000 years ago - about 1,000 years earlier than the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The characters are written in proto-Canaanite, a precursor of the Hebrew alphabet.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7700037.stm

 

[Lucian]

Historically speaking the immortal soul can be found to have influenced Jewish thinking about the time of Alexander the Great, though Babylonian in origin many of the teachings of modern day Christianity were later introduced to Jewish / Christian thinking through later historical persons. The immortal soul through the philosophy of Socrates, the Trinity through Plato, hell through Milton and Dante, the cross through Constantine, Easter from Astarte, the pagan goddess of fertility and consort of Baal, and Christmas through the winter solstice celebrations.

Lets take the immortal soul. Read Ezekiel 18:4. The soul dies. The question then becomes, what is the soul? A somewhat unhapy translation into English, but the soul, according to the Bible, is the blood or the life of any breathing creature.

I may be misunderstanding you, but are you saying that the concept of hell was introduced into Christianity by Dante and Milton?

I also like your avatar.

 

[dafydd]

For my avatar?! Why would I get banned for my avatar?

Read the post again.

 

[Explorer]

The Bible also says that one should beware of the inspired expression of error. Don't believe something just because you want to believe it.

How then does the Bible explain and teach someone to believe in something for the "right" reasons, and presumably dispel wishful thinking in the process?

I ask this as it could be a useful tool for dispelling religious belief.

 

[Brainache]

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I also like your avatar.

I still say I preferred his American Dad avatar.

 

[Leumas]

Astounding HUBRIS

If that were true how would these wandering groups have gained control of Egypt gained control in the "Twelfth Dynasty" which was about the time of Egypt's peek of power. It indicates to me a considerable amount of confusion on the parts of not only ancient Egyptian history but modern interpreters as well. No validity of the Hyksos Period can be achieved.

Another point of consideration is the fact that Egypt, like many Near Eastern lands, was heavily linked with the priesthood and the scribes were well trained under their tutelage leaving the very possible fact that propagandistic explanations were invented to account for the Egyptian gods to deal with Jehovah and the exodus.

What ASTOUNDING HUBRIS.....

What you are saying is that the BIBLE is TRUE regardless of the fact that archeology and well established Egyptian history written in ROCK proves it to be all fabrication.

What you are saying is that Egyptian history must have either been MISTAKEN or MADE UP and that archeologists are either MISTAKEN or duped by the Egyptian lies. BUT....the Bile MUST be irrefutably true .

What you are trying to do is DISTORT the world to better fit your PRESUPPOSED TRUTH and accuracy of the Biblical account. If any FACTS of archeology, geography, other civilizations' history, paleontology, philology, chemistry, astronomy, cosmology, carbon dating, other civilizations' mythology etc. etc. contradict or do not accord with the Biblical timeline or assertions then they are all wrong, or fabricated or preemptively plagiarizing the bible etc, etc.

WARP CONTORT time and space just to ram it into the BIBLICAL FAIRY TALE..... What AMAZING ARROGANCE and BLINDNESS.

Why is it in your mind acceptable that the Egyptians made up and boasted when they wrote their histories BUT NOT the biblical writers. What makes them immune from fabricating and boasting about their PROPAGANDIST "history" just as the Egyptians and all middle eastern cultures around them did????? Is it because YHWH was dictating the Bible to them and thus could not lie? According to the bible itself YHWH (besides being drunk on blood all the time) is the author of LIES, DECEPTIONS, CONFUSION and all other falsities. Read this posting. So the Bible itself admits that its author is a LYING SCOUNDREL of a god.

By the way your attempts at WARPING the Egyptian history time line and DENYING its veracity are OLD HACKNEYED ATTEMPTS....they have been attempted by various DISCREDITED "scholars" already.

For example…and I think that is the source of your ideas …. Immanuel Velikovsky.

 

[dafydd]

For example…and I think that is the source of your ideas …. Immanuel Velikovsky.

'Nuff said.

 

[Jensen]

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1918, Isaac born

1913, Isaac weaned

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