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The DeSantis gambit

All that's needed is that someone even hint that the Democrats aren't rabidly anti-Communist and the "name that ends in -ez" demographic is primed to respond. Cracking something so brittle is suicidal.
 
The Atheist said:
That's very mild. The word that springs to my mind begins with a C.
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I know, but I think of him as that stupid annoying kid everybody hated in school, but who went on to become successful and lord it over everybody. Perhaps I consider "twerp" to be a stronger word than you do. But he is indeed also a ****.

I can't imagine that a single person who is close to him really likes him.
 
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shemp said:
I know, but I think of him as that stupid annoying kid everybody hated in school, but who went on to become successful and lord it over everybody.
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You ever seen DeSantis' high school yearbook photo? Multiple people have said looking at it tells you everything you need to know about him.
 
angrysoba said:
So I had a quick look. Looks like it was taken in the 1920s.
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This one? Seen here enthusiastically throwing a ball at Disney World gates?

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Segnosaur said:
Re: red states with many Democrats/blue states with many Republicans

The mixing of red/blue voters would make secession messy. But that would not stop the GOP from trying.

Over the past.decade or 2 we have seen the Republicans engage in voter suppression and gerrymandering. We have seen them adopt policies (such as anti-abortion laws) that time majority of their voters do not want.

Simply put, republican politicians do not care about democratic voters. They don't even really care about republican voters, as long as they can be gaslight led into supporting their party

If a republican government in a deep red state wanted to secede they would not care about the substantial minority of voters who opposed them because, well, they aren't republican.
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Here in NC they wouldn't don't even care about what the majority of voters think about what they do. They didn't need them to get into office in the first place, so why should they care.

It's not like they'd be hampered by personal integrity, or loyalty to the fundamental concepts of democracy, or anything silly like that.
 
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Segnosaur said:
That brings up an interesting dillema for Disney.

Meatball Ron is gone in a few years regardless (since the Florida gov has term limits).

Even if the republicans being in a business-friendly politician (one more interested in the economy than culture wars), DO YOU TRUST THEM?

After all, Republicans in general have shown little integrity in the past few years. And those in the Florida legislature have shown a willingness to submit to meatball Ron in all his foolishness. When he's gone do they assume things can go back to normal? Or should they hold off, knowing that they are one culture-war away from repeating the whole debacle

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I'd go so far as to say they have shown very little integrity at all in the past couple of decades. Certainly since Obama was elected, when they pledged to oppose any legislation he proposed, even if they wanted it too. Just so he wouldn't get the credit.
 
W.D.Clinger said:
As angrysoba said (and supported by citing Wikipedia), the three oldest states in the US are Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont.

Maine is the whitest state in the United States. Vermont and New Hampshire are the 3rd and 4th whitest.

So if you're talking about "old white people", you're talking about Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire.

But Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine are the least religious, 2nd least religious, and 7th least religious states in the US.

If logic were on topic in this thread, we'd say those three states are counterexamples to the idea of "old white people being religious".
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You're measuring different things.

I'm saying Florida is 51.54% white, 7th highest in age, and 22nd most religious.
 
jadebox said:
That is an issue, but not as big as you are implying. My home, for example, would cost at least twice as much in most other states - probably much more than that in a place near where there are jobs like mine. Even if my insurance was twice what I am paying, my house is still less expensive than it would be in most other areas.
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As I pointed out earlier though... the average income in Florida is lower than in places like California/NY/etc. If you compare the cost of living with the average salary, Florida is actually the least affordable state.

you might have a job which pays well, but not everyone does.
 
JoeMorgue said:
You ever seen DeSantis' high school yearbook photo? Multiple people have said looking at it tells you everything you need to know about him.
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Much has been said about how DeSantis is evil and that's all well and true, but more to the point is that he's super weird.

Running for President is way different than running for governor or other lesser office. There's just so much more press attention and time on screen. DeSantis just seems like a super weird, offputting dude. His mannerisms are strange and he seems deeply uncomfortable in the public spotlight. Even for people who agree with his ideology and goals are going to find him deeply unsettling to look at.

He also seems to have a thin skin. The "pudding fingers" thing is pretty obviously upsetting him, and there's only more to come as his weird behavior draws more mockery.


Trump is going to eat him alive.
 
DeSantis had said in the past that he'd barely had any idea who Level Parnas even was, when it was revealed that Parnassus had funneled Russian money to his campaign for governor. It seems that may have been a little white lie, as there are now numerous emails from DeSantis to Parnas.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Much has been said about how DeSantis is evil and that's all well and true, but more to the point is that he's super weird.

Running for President is way different than running for governor or other lesser office. There's just so much more press attention and time on screen. DeSantis just seems like a super weird, offputting dude. His mannerisms are strange and he seems deeply uncomfortable in the public spotlight. Even for people who agree with his ideology and goals are going to find him deeply unsettling to look at.

He also seems to have a thin skin. The "pudding fingers" thing is pretty obviously upsetting him, and there's only more to come as his weird behavior draws more mockery.


Trump is going to eat him alive.
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Just the way he's been pushing his feud with Disney seems pretty weird. He seems like the sort of guy to whom everything is personal, and can't be walked away from unless he wins.
 
Yes DeSantis is the kind of guy who if he was in your way at the grocery store and you went "I'm sorry can I scooch past you real quick so I can grab a can of beans" he'd turned on you and shout "What's that about my small penis? Say I have a small penis again and I'll deck you!"

Like Trump I used to describe this as a weak idiot's idea of what a tough guy is, but it's not even that anymore. It's just sad.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Much has been said about how DeSantis is evil and that's all well and true, but more to the point is that he's super weird.

Running for President is way different than running for governor or other lesser office. There's just so much more press attention and time on screen. DeSantis just seems like a super weird, offputting dude. His mannerisms are strange and he seems deeply uncomfortable in the public spotlight. Even for people who agree with his ideology and goals are going to find him deeply unsettling to look at.

He also seems to have a thin skin. The "pudding fingers" thing is pretty obviously upsetting him, and there's only more to come as his weird behavior draws more mockery.


Trump is going to eat him alive.
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What do you expect in a state as badly gerrymandered as Florida? He's never had to deal with challenge before.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
What do you expect in a state as badly gerrymandered as Florida? He's never had to deal with challenge before.
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In 2016 the voters in Florida overwhemingly (65% to 35%) voted yes on a Constitutional Amendment to restore voting rights to ex-felons.

Felons still can't vote in Florida.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Gerrymandering doesn't matter on statewide elections. DeSantis won his seat by a statewide popular vote landslide.
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IMO yes and no.

You're correct that it doesn't affect that particular vote/election but a gerrymandered state legislature can pass laws that make it more difficult for the "wrong" people to vote in the gubernatorial election.

In DeSantis' case he's fooled enough of the people enough of the time and the marginal effects of disenfranchisement don't really come into it IMO.
 
The Don said:
IMO yes and no.



You're correct that it doesn't affect that particular vote/election but a gerrymandered state legislature can pass laws that make it more difficult for the "wrong" people to vote in the gubernatorial election.
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It should also be noted that having a "friendly" legislature (who is in control at least partly because of gerrymandering) will make it easier for an incompetent boob like meatball Ron to find success.

Just look at how the legislature has supported pudding fingers in his fight with Disney. The gov makes some stupid decision on how to punish Disney, and rather than standing up to him and saying "you are being dumb" like a democratically controlled legislature might, they step in line and pass laws to help bail him out.



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