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Disney isn't going to leave. There is no threat of that happening.
The DeSantis gambit
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Disney isn't going to leave. There is no threat of that happening.
No state income taxes and a lower cost of living make for a more comfortable living with a lower income. And a large rural population and number of retirees skews the stats.
bruto
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I think it's a given that Disney is too heavily involved to leave, though I doubt they will accept things as they are either. I think what's more important in the long run is whether any other businesses will rethink their presence in Florida, either their present state or plans for the future. If De Santis wins a case that basically says he can use his political influence to control how businesses behave in his state, can any business be sure that this won't happen to them? Right now he's openly stated he will punish Disney for a political opinion. What businesses, political opponents, opinions, advertising models, are next? Even businesses that are right in De Santis's league right now ought to be afraid for the future. Down the road, a precedent is a precedent for any agenda.
smartcooky
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That's explained on that page. The stimulus payments during COVID skewed things. During a typical year, Florida would be about 30th in that ranking.
That is an issue, but not as big as you are implying. My home, for example, would cost at least twice as much in most other states - probably much more than that in a place near where there are jobs like mine. Even if my insurance was twice what I am paying, my house is still less expensive than it would be in most other areas.
This is why the whole "Red State / Blue State" nonsense is so dangerous.
Yes all the people who think DeSantis is crazy leaving Florida would make the situation so much better.
We just turned the largest GOP controlled city in the US blue. Would it be better if we all leaved Florida so that didn't happen?
The last thing you want the "Red States" to have is a higher percentage of "Red Voters."
The still good people should stay there, not be demonized for it.
Yes all the people who think DeSantis is crazy leaving Florida would make the situation so much better.
We just turned the largest GOP controlled city in the US blue. Would it be better if we all leaved Florida so that didn't happen?
The last thing you want the "Red States" to have is a higher percentage of "Red Voters."
The still good people should stay there, not be demonized for it.
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lomiller
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You have that backwards. In the skewed covid years they were lower, in 2023 they are back to the top of the list.
Nope. You are quoting a value from 2020. The data from 2023 wouldn't be available yet.
"Upon analyzing the data for 2020, you can see a pattern of states with more residents (and therefore a higher number of COVID-19 cases) being bigger takers and states that have a smaller population, fewer cases, or less of a cultural focus on the pandemic being the ones that received less federal funding."
Florida has a lot of rural people and retirees that pay little or no federal income tax. So, in 2020, when they received the stimulus payments it made a big difference.
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People in blue states are very quick to congratulate themselves for something often entirely out of their control.
unless you live in a contested swing state your personal politics don't matter at all. When I lived in South Carolina my liberal votes didn't matter for anything, and now that I live in Massachusetts my liberal votes still don't matter for anything, but for the opposite reason.
People act like these red states are 100% evil. Hell, until somewhat recently Florida was a swing state. Nearly half the state are people who don't like the weird **** that's going on there. It's depressing how common it is for people in blue states to just write off so many of their like minded citizens just because they have the bad luck of living in red states. Truly jaw dropping cynicism.
TragicMonkey
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Pink-frosted cupcakes are available in the bakery section! And there's "rainbow sherbet" in the frozen goods! Publix has fallen to the Gay Agenda! Summon the pitchfork mob!
Stacyhs
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As I said, they aren't moving to FL because of DeSantis and his right-wing policies...which include his culture war nonsense he's been pushing in his quest for the presidency.
Just give FL time and its cost of living and home prices will skyrocket just as Oregon's did in the 1990's when Californians moved here in large numbers...including my family. As the population exploded, so did the cost of living here and the demand for housing caused prices to increase astronomically. Californians brought their large home selling profits and were able to pay more for that in-demand housing causing prices to soar. Today's median home price is $518,000 while FL's is $410,000. I bought my home here in OR in 1997 for $231,000 and its value today is $710,000.
As FL's business friendly policies draw in businesses and corporations, they also bring in more people increasing demand for homes and office space which also will cause prices to rise. That's what happened here in the Portland area...known as the Silicon Forest. High salaries accompany many of these businesses. My millennial daughter makes six figures working for a large tech company as did my husband.
Also if we learned nothing from the fall of the "Blue Wall" in 2016 is that you can only count on a "Safe State" being one for a couple of elections cycles. Outside of the deep red/blue states like California and Texas (and hell even Texas looks shaky some days) there's only a few handful of states if you put a gun to my head I'd swear it was crazy to think they COULD (not will, COULD) swing in 10 years time.
lomiller
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Read it again and pay attention to the numbers for individual states. Florida's normal role is that of a "taker" state whose ranking drops during the pandemic.
That's it.
I'd like to see current stats, but I know for a long time Florida has a huge retired and white population, and in the US, this means religious.
As Randall Monroe noted:
This is a big reason why any sort of secession/national divorce scenario is unworkable. Who is seceding from who? Any way you slice it, tens of millions of Americans would have to move in order to keep all the various regions "pure" red or blue.
angrysoba
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Does it?
According to this page, the state with the highest median age (and yes, I know that's not the same thing as retired) is Maine, followed by New Hampshire and Vermont.
These are all blue or mostly blue.
In addition, white people in the US are not necessarily the most religious groups or the most socially conservative. In Florida there are also large Latino populations, which seemed to have shifted towards Trump from previously being Democratic, although some Latino populations such as Cubans, have always been pretty Republican from what I remember.
Florida is 7th, so it's still a high age demographic.
And I'm talking about old white people being religious, not just white people.