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The DeSantis gambit

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From Wiki:

In the United States, the Christian right is an informal coalition formed around a core of predominantly White conservative Evangelical Protestants and Roman Catholics.[2][5][6][7] The Christian right draws additional support from politically conservative mainline Protestants and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.[5][8] The movement has its roots in American politics going back as far as the 1940s; it has been especially influential since the 1970s.[1][9][10][11][12] Its influence draws from grassroots activism as well as from focus on social issues and the ability to motivate the electorate around those issues.[13]

The Christian right is notable for advancing socially conservative positions on issues such as creationism in public education,[14] school prayer,[15] temperance,[16] Christian nationalism,[17] and Sunday Sabbatarianism,[18] as well as opposition to biological evolution,[14] embryonic stem cell research,[19] LGBT rights,[3][9][15][20] comprehensive sex education,[21][22] abortion,[15][23] and pornography.[24] Although the term Christian right is most commonly associated with politics in the United States, similar Christian conservative groups can be found in the political cultures of other Christian-majority countries.
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Re: red states with many Democrats/blue states with many Republicans
Random said:
This is a big reason why any sort of secession/national divorce scenario is unworkable. Who is seceding from who? Any way you slice it, tens of millions of Americans would have to move in order to keep all the various regions "pure" red or blue.
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The mixing of red/blue voters would make secession messy. But that would not stop the GOP from trying.

Over the past.decade or 2 we have seen the Republicans engage in voter suppression and gerrymandering. We have seen them adopt policies (such as anti-abortion laws) that time majority of their voters do not want.

Simply put, republican politicians do not care about democratic voters. They don't even really care about republican voters, as long as they can be gaslight led into supporting their party

If a republican government in a deep red state wanted to secede they would not care about the substantial minority of voters who opposed them because, well, they aren't republican.



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Orphia Nay said:
Orphia Nay said:
That's it.

I'd like to see current stats, but I know for a long time Florida has a huge retired and white population, and in the US, this means religious.
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angrysoba said:
Does it?

According to this page, the state with the highest median age (and yes, I know that's not the same thing as retired) is Maine, followed by New Hampshire and Vermont.

These are all blue or mostly blue.

In addition, white people in the US are not necessarily the most religious groups or the most socially conservative. In Florida there are also large Latino populations, which seemed to have shifted towards Trump from previously being Democratic, although some Latino populations such as Cubans, have always been pretty Republican from what I remember.
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Florida is 7th, so it's still a high age demographic.

And I'm talking about old white people being religious, not just white people.
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As angrysoba said (and supported by citing Wikipedia), the three oldest states in the US are Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont.

Maine is the whitest state in the United States. Vermont and New Hampshire are the 3rd and 4th whitest.

So if you're talking about "old white people", you're talking about Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire.

But Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine are the least religious, 2nd least religious, and 7th least religious states in the US.

If logic were on topic in this thread, we'd say those three states are counterexamples to the idea of "old white people being religious".
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Disney just has to delay until DeSantis is gone - that's super easy
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That brings up an interesting dillema for Disney.

Meatball Ron is gone in a few years regardless (since the Florida gov has term limits).

Even if the republicans being in a business-friendly politician (one more interested in the economy than culture wars), DO YOU TRUST THEM?

After all, Republicans in general have shown little integrity in the past few years. And those in the Florida legislature have shown a willingness to submit to meatball Ron in all his foolishness. When he's gone do they assume things can go back to normal? Or should they hold off, knowing that they are one culture-war away from repeating the whole debacle

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Segnosaur said:
That brings up an interesting dillema for Disney.

Meatball Ron is gone in a few years regardless (since the Florida gov has term limits).

Even if the republicans being in a business-friendly politician (one more interested in the economy than culture wars), DO YOU TRUST THEM?

After all, Republicans in general have shown little integrity in the past few years. And those in the Florida legislature have shown a willingness to submit to meatball Ron in all his foolishness. When he's gone do they assume things can go back to normal? Or should they hold off, knowing that they are one culture-war away from repeating the whole debacle

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you can be certain that Disney is already let it be known that the most donations for the next campaign is going to the Republican who makes the most pro-Mouse noises on the campaign trail.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
you can be certain that Disney is already let it be known that the most donations for the next campaign is going to the Republican who makes the most pro-Mouse noises on the campaign trail.
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Why on earth would they trust them to not just take the money and then do whatever to use culture war nonsense against business again?

There is no reason to trust Republicans right now.
 
DeSantis' lawyers have requested that the judge in the Disney lawsuit be disqualified due to lack of impartiality:

DeSantis moves to disqualify judge in Disney lawsuit over Florida tax district
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Judge Mark Walker had in two separate cases “offered ‘Disney’ as an example of state retaliation” without being prompted, lawyers for DeSantis said in a court filing.
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In an April 1, 2022, hearing, Walker had asked, “is there anything in the record that says we are now going to take away Disney’s special status because they’re woke?”

In doing so, the judge had “used the State’s contemplated dissolution of Disney’s special district as an example of retaliatory conduct,” DeSantis’ lawyers argued.

The other alleged example came in a June 21, 2022, hearing in a case accusing DeSantis of chilling speech in schools. Walker had suggested in that hearing that Florida’s moves against Disney were punitive actions, when he said that the company was going to lose its special status because it made a statement that arguably “ran afoul of state policy of the controlling party.”

The lawyers for DeSantis argued that Walker’s “unprompted suggestion, on two separate occasions, that the State punished Disney by eliminating its ‘special status’ gives an appearance of partiality.”

“The Court’s comments seemingly reflect its opinion on whether the State punished Disney’s speech by revoking Disney’s ‘special status,’” they wrote.
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The fact that DeSantis has admitted it was in retaliation more than once might have something to do with the judge mentioning it?
 
He's already rewritten the laws so he can run for President without giving up his Governorship position.
 
But again I'd be remit not to mention that I was on the ground here in America's Wang for the last election and I think a lot of you don't get that the Democrats ran a crap campaign against an absolute DeSantis juggernaut. I really got the impression that the Dems wrote off (or were willing to right off) Florida the last couple of elections.

He was also riding the anti-Covid wave HARD back when that was a major demographic worth courting and as I've discussed in length before the Democrats kept shooting themselves in the foot not getting why Florida's huge Hispanic wasn't going to like an overall party mentality that was nothing but pro-abortion and "yah far left policies that (on the surface) sound a lot like the countries you were fleeing from."

I've said it before but Democrats crack the Miami-Dade "name that ends in -ez" demographic even a little and DeSantis will be selling pencils outside Disney's gates?

That's why I still hope (HOPE, I said HOPE) that DeSantis's whole shtick won't translate to the broader US elections. Florida is weird works both ways.
 
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