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The Deluge

stilicho said:
Did you ever provide scientific evidence to back up your assertion about the canopy of water vapour? Seriously, is this mythical water vapour canopy even mentioned in the Bible itself? I don't want some Bible verse you assume to mean "water vapour canopy". I would like to see the text from which you extracted those words.
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“The region above about 80 miles is very hot, over 100° F and possibly rising to 3000° F, and is in fact called the thermosphere for this reason. High temperature, of course, is the chief requisite for retaining a large quantity of water vapor. Furthermore, it is known that water vapor is substantially lighter than air and most of the other gases making up the atmosphere. There is thus nothing physically impossible about the concept of a vast thermal vapor blanket once existing in the upper atmosphere.” - The Genesis Flood (1961), by John C. Whitcomb, Jr., and Henry M. Morris
 
David Henson said:
How do mountains form?
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That depends on the mountain. The one I live on exists due to a volcanic hot spot that is fixed, while the plate the mountain rests on drifts up and to the left over time. You can determine the age of each of the mountains in this particular chain by measuring the drift and the rate of volcanic activity. There will be a new mountain in our island chain in a few hundred thousand years. Currently it is known as the Loihi seamount, and has been visited by various robotic submarines.

Yay science! :)
 
David Henson said:
“The region above about 80 miles is very hot, over 100° F and possibly rising to 3000° F, and is in fact called the thermosphere for this reason. High temperature, of course, is the chief requisite for retaining a large quantity of water vapor. Furthermore, it is known that water vapor is substantially lighter than air and most of the other gases making up the atmosphere. There is thus nothing physically impossible about the concept of a vast thermal vapor blanket once existing in the upper atmosphere.” - The Genesis Flood (1961), by John C. Whitcomb, Jr., and Henry M. Morris
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Um, the thermosphere is practically a vacuum. Not a great place to store a bunch of water.
 
Moss said:
The biblical flood account is only the last and most well known variant of this story. the so called eridu genesis predates the old testament by some 1200 years. given that it comes from a region with two big rivers it's only to be expected that the locals would get pretty wet feet at times. We actually have the sediments that show that there were floods in that region around the time the creation account places the story.
This story is both older than yours and has other gods and ancestors. Any reasonable arguments why I should trust your story more than this one (which seems to be the oldest recorded version)?

And trying to shift the burden of proof is disingenous. You posit the biblical tale of a global flood is true. So it's your business to prove it is true, not ours to disprove it. And thus far you have done a pretty bad job at that.

Edit: The Eridu Genesis probably isn't the original story, just the oldest record of this motif.
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When was the oldest flood account written? When was the Bible deluge account written?
 
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David Henson said:
“The region above about 80 miles is very hot, over 100° F and possibly rising to 3000° F, and is in fact called the thermosphere for this reason. High temperature, of course, is the chief requisite for retaining a large quantity of water vapor. Furthermore, it is known that water vapor is substantially lighter than air and most of the other gases making up the atmosphere. There is thus nothing physically impossible about the concept of a vast thermal vapor blanket once existing in the upper atmosphere.” - The Genesis Flood (1961), by John C. Whitcomb, Jr., and Henry M. Morris
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  • How was the water suspended, and what caused it to fall all at once when it did?
  • If a canopy holding the equivalent to more than 40 feet of water were part of the atmosphere, it would raise the atmospheric pressure accordingly, raising oxygen and nitrogen levels to toxic levels.
  • If the canopy began as vapor, any water from it would be superheated. This scenario essentially starts with most of the Flood waters boiled off. Noah and company would be poached. If the water began as ice in orbit, the gravitational potential energy would likewise raise the temperature past boiling.
  • A canopy of any significant thickness would have blocked a great deal of light, lowering the temperature of the earth greatly before the Flood.
  • Any water above the ozone layer would not be shielded from ultraviolet light, and the light would break apart the water molecules.
Source: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html#flood

BTW: these objections were raised by another Creationist, Walt Brown, who thinks that water from the flood came from underground. Then there's Kent "Jailbait" Hovind who think it came from a cometary impact.

So much stupid, so little time.
 
David Henson said:
“The region above about 80 miles is very hot, over 100° F and possibly rising to 3000° F, and is in fact called the thermosphere for this reason. High temperature, of course, is the chief requisite for retaining a large quantity of water vapor. Furthermore, it is known that water vapor is substantially lighter than air and most of the other gases making up the atmosphere. There is thus nothing physically impossible about the concept of a vast thermal vapor blanket once existing in the upper atmosphere.” - The Genesis Flood (1961), by John C. Whitcomb, Jr., and Henry M. Morris
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More pseudo-scientific nonsense. The gas in the thermosphere is so rarefied that even at 4500 F you would freeze because you would radiate heat far faster than you would absorb energy from the atoms of gas in the near vacuum of the thermosphere. Spacecraft like the shuttle and the ISS actually orbit within the thermosphere. There just isn't any water to be found up there beyond some lonely atoms that won't last long in the UV.
 
Hokulele said:
That depends on the mountain. The one I live on exists due to a volcanic hot spot that is fixed, while the plate the mountain rests on drifts up and to the left over time. You can determine the age of each of the mountains in this particular chain by measuring the drift and the rate of volcanic activity. There will be a new mountain in our island chain in a few hundred thousand years. Currently it is known as the Loihi seamount, and has been visited by various robotic submarines.
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What sort of effect would an glacier have upon a flat earth and what sort of cataclysmic events could possibly mistaken for a glacier? Like a local flood? Has that ever happened?

Hokulele said:
Yay science! :)
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Have you ever noticed that every dinosaur and mammoth fossil is either dug out water-laid sedimentary rock? Shale, (hardened floodwater mud) sandstone, (hardened floodwater sand) or frozen permafrost?
 
Madalch said:
Such dating techniques are not used on large pieces of sedimentary rock, but on individual bits of rock.


Rocks do not absorb argon. The only possible source of argon in a rock is radioactive decay, as argon is not water-soluble, magma-soluble, absorbable, nor adsorbable. It does not form compounds which can contaminate minerals, and it does not stick to anything.

If you want evidence, I can guide you to several books on chemistry, which contain a great deal of information about the noble gases, of which argon is one. I've worked with it quite a bit, simply because it does not react with anything.
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Chemistry rocks, and you do it quite well.
 
Hokulele said:
That depends on the mountain. The one I live on exists due to a volcanic hot spot that is fixed, while the plate the mountain rests on drifts up and to the left over time. You can determine the age of each of the mountains in this particular chain by measuring the drift and the rate of volcanic activity. There will be a new mountain in our island chain in a few hundred thousand years. Currently it is known as the Loihi seamount, and has been visited by various robotic submarines.

Yay science! :)
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Up and to the left?

Great. Another Northern Hemisphere chauvinist.
 
Cavemonster said:
It can't be explained in a soundbite.

I suggest you read the link you quoted there as well as the one specifically about the Rocky mountains.
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I provided a post in which Bible, Egyptian, Babylonian, astronomical, and secular history dated From . . . I think it was Constantines death to the creation of Adam and you can't tell me how a mountian is formed without an external link but you can tell me there couldn't have been a flood, is that what you are saying?
 
David Henson said:
I provided a post in which Bible, Egyptian, Babylonian, astronomical, and secular history dated From . . . I think it was Constantines death to the creation of Adam and you can't tell me how a mountian is formed without an external link but you can tell me there couldn't have been a flood, is that what you are saying?
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You provided an extremely flawed unsourced vomit of pseudo-history.

You can't click a link?
 
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