The Cult.

[thaiboxerken]

S&S has indicated that several of us are in a cult... "the charlatan's cult". However, I have never heard of such a cult and I don't even know who the leader is. I don't even know who are the other members. S&S claims that I'm brainwashed by this cult, and yet I do not remember ever interacting with anyone from a cult. What is this mysterious cult? Who is the phantom leader of this cult? How did I become a part of the cult without knowledge of it? How does anyone become a member of this cult?

It's my opinion that S&S is merely trolling and calls anyone that doesn't agree with him as being a cult member of this mysterious cult made of his straw.

 

[Franko]

thaifoodweeny: (A-Theist Cult Member/Idiot)

S&S has indicated that several of us are in a cult... "the charlatan's cult". However, I have never heard of such a cult and I don't even know who the leader is. I don't even know who are the other members. S&S claims that I'm brainwashed by this cult, and yet I do not remember ever interacting with anyone from a cult. What is this mysterious cult? Who is the phantom leader of this cult? How did I become a part of the cult without knowledge of it? How does anyone become a member of this cult?

By pretending that you have magical "free willy" powers that you simply refuse to explain and then deny as magical. And by claiming that entire universes magically appear out of no where and then denying this is magical as well. If anyone ask -- just give them the usual A-Theist run-around.

Ohh, yes, and pretend that your direly pessimistic little cult is not a cult. Remember, once you sell your Soul to A-Theism, The TRUTH is the enemy. It must be defiled whenever possible, or Un-God gets very angry!

 

[Aoidoi]

I'm the VP of the cult. I get to take over if GREAT LEADER is incapacitated. Unfortunately since we're a secret cult I don't actually know who GREAT LEADER is, so my job is somewhat difficult.

Thankfully I get to hang out in the secret undisclosed location with Dick Cheney, who has a surprisingly good singing voice.

As to how do you get in the cult, well, we bribe the aliens with some cow parts and rednecks to pick you up and then erase the memory after we're done with the drinking and paddling. The best part is that we can keep indoctrinating members and they don't even know we did it before!

Betcha don't even remember that Area 51 has the biggest dance floor in the world and hot and cold runnning booze!

Edit: Franko is with our Disinformation Service. Sadly that's what happens when the aliens erase your mind a few too many times. Or maybe it was the margaritas at least years initiations. I kept telling him that turpentine is not a normal ingredient in mixed drinks...

 

[Franko]

As to how do you get in the cult, well, we bribe the aliens with some cow parts and rednecks to pick you up and then erase the memory after we're done with the drinking and paddling. The best part is that we can keep indoctrinating members and they don't even know we did it before!

Ohh, it's much simpler to join than that!

All you have to do is pretend that you have magic "free willy" powers and that you KNOW FOR FACT, there is no "god".

It also helps if you pretend that when a universe magically appears out of the void, that this is NOT magic. (you can believe that it is yourself, but just don't tell any of the other Religions you believe it is magic). It is very important that A-Theists always pretend that they don't believe in magic regardless of how much their religion actually depends on magic.

 

[Aoidoi]

All you have to do is pretend that you have magic "free willy" powers and that you KNOW FOR FACT, there is no "god".

You forgot the mandatory keg stand and jello shot tournament!

 

[Franko]

You forgot the mandatory keg stand and jello shot tournament!

You sure we are still talking about A-Theism?

There may some mandatory prozac involved, but beyond that ...

 

[Aoidoi]

You sure we are still talking about A-Theism?

I'm talking about the Evil Cult of Doom (tm), I know your attention wanders.

There may some mandatory prozac involved, but beyond that ...

Naw, that's just part of our Evil Conspiracy (tm) to rule the masses. You thought it was the Evil Corporations (tm)? Ha! It's been the Evil Atheist Non S&S Cult of Doom (tm) all along! Fools! I'll kill them all!

(This message brought to you by the Committee to Elect Aoidoi as GREAT LEADER)

 

[Keneke]

By pretending that you have magical "free willy" powers that you simply refuse to explain and then deny as magical.

This thread is tainted from conception and should be borbed. Apparently cultification of skeptical thought is simply another go-around of an argument repeated countless times in other threads.

 

[Franko]

yeah, tell me something I don't know.

A-Theism is the religion of Solipsism.

Don't worry, if you are an A-Theist, and you are reading this post, then YOU are the "great" cult leader. You are the leader, because no one else exist! We are all just figments of your imagination.

 

[Franko]

This thread is tainted from conception and should be borbed. Apparently cultification of skeptical thought is simply another go-around of an argument repeated countless times in other threads.

Hey don't blame ME because fanatical members of a specific nutty religious cult want to try and claim the mantel of Skepticism.

Honestly I am surprised that there aren't more real Skeptics in this forum standing up to the nonsense of this small, dangerous, and vocal fanatically religious completely non-skeptical minority.

But A-Theism is a Fear-based religion, so maybe I shouldn't be so surprised.

 

[thaiboxerken]

By pretending that you have magical "free willy" powers that you simply refuse to explain and then deny as magical.

I don't believe in free will or magic.

And by claiming that entire universes magically appear out of no where and then denying this is magical as well.

I don't claim this either. I don't know how the universe came to be or if there was a time that it didn't exist.

If anyone ask -- just give them the usual A-Theist run-around.

What run-around?

Ohh, yes, and pretend that your direly pessimistic little cult is not a cult. Remember, once you sell your Soul to A-Theism, The TRUTH is the enemy. It must be defiled whenever possible, or Un-God gets very angry!

Oh, so you are calling atheism a cult. Well, at least I'm a little more clear. I don't agree though, as atheism isn't a club with rules, there isn't a leader we all follow or any doctrines. Also, I don't believe in souls.

What is "Un-God"?

 

[thaiboxerken]

yeah, tell me something I don't know.

A-Theism is the religion of Solipsism.

Ok, Solipsism is the belief that the only thing real is the self. I acknowledge the reality of many things outside of myself. I'm atheist, but I'm not Soliptist. Seems that your equivocation is false.

Don't worry, if you are an A-Theist, and you are reading this post, then YOU are the "great" cult leader. You are the leader, because no one else exist! We are all just figments of your imagination.

LOL. Yea, I wish you were just a figment of my imagination, I'd simply wish you out of existence.

 

[thaiboxerken]

But A-Theism is a Fear-based religion, so maybe I shouldn't be so surprised.

Fear of what? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god or gods, many people are atheist simply because they are skeptical of the god or gods people make up. Skepticism and atheism go hand-in-hand.

It makes no sense to me, you say atheism is a fear-based religion.... yet you also claim that atheists are immoral because they fear no punishment from a god. You always are inconsistent, I expect you'll evade or ignore the point.

 

[Franko]

Franko:
[What makes an A-Theist a mystic …]By pretending that you have magical "free willy" powers that you simply refuse to explain and then deny as magical.

thaiboxerken:

I don't believe in free will or magic.

Really? So you are a Fatalist?

If that is True, then how can you claim that there is no evidence for “god”? Explain this to me …

TLOP (“God”) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR

If TLOP is controlling you, then how can TLOP be less conscious then YOU? Can you give me a single example of a less conscious entity controlling a more conscious one? Do children control adults? Do animals tend to control Humans, or is it the other way around?

Franko:
And by claiming that entire universes magically appear out of no where and then denying this is magical as well.

thaifoodkeeny: (A-Theist)
I don't claim this either. I don't know how the universe came to be or if there was a time that it didn't exist.

If you don’t know then why aren’t you honest about that? Why don’t you call yourself an AGNOSTIC (not enough information)?

The fact is that you are a dishonest nitwit. You want to pretend that you “know” more than you actually “know”.

Franko:
If anyone ask -- just give them the usual A-Theist run-around.

thaifoodkeeny: (A-Theist)
What run-around?

You really are dumb as dirt.

Franko:
Ohh, yes, and pretend that your direly pessimistic little cult is not a cult. Remember, once you sell your Soul to A-Theism, The TRUTH is the enemy. It must be defiled whenever possible, or Un-God gets very angry!

thaifoodkeeny: (A-Theist)
Oh, so you are calling atheism a cult. Well, at least I'm a little more clear. I don't agree though, as atheism isn't a club with rules …

More lies (or delusions). If you want to pretend that a person can be an A-Theist in a metaphysical vacuum, go right ahead. It is very obvious that A-Theists have no interest in what is actually True. You just make my point.

 

[Franko]

Franko: (Logical Deist)
A-Theism is the religion of Solipsism.

thaiboxerken: (A-Theist)
Ok, Solipsism is the belief that the only thing real is the self. I acknowledge the reality of many things outside of myself.

acknowledging is not the same as PROVING they are real. You cannot prove they are real, because if you are reading this post, then ONLY you are real and everyone else is a figment of your imagination.

I'm atheist, but I'm not Solipsist.

A-Theism and Solipsism are the same thing. You can go on pretending we are real if you wish, but eventually you will rediscover the TRUTH. You can only hide yourself from it for so long.

If you doubt that Solipsism and A-Theism are the same, then kindly point out ONE SINGLE prediction that A-Theism (or materialism) makes that Solipsism doesn’t also make and make more parsimoniously?

Seems that your equivocation is false.

it seems that you are delusional, and I am merely a figment of your imagination.

LOL. Yea, I wish you were just a figment of my imagination, I'd simply wish you out of existence.

Once you get control of your mind again you will do exactly that! Of course, you’ll just program me to reappear again … the next time you make yourself forget reality …

 

[Keneke]

edit: This board has the most neutral group of people out there, honestly. This is the only place I have found that has at least a modicum of true rational, skeptic thought. Yeah, there are trolls, but I'd rather have a few trolls than EVERYONE on the board giving me groupthink bulls**t.

 

[Aoidoi]

Sad. I keep telling them that the flashie thing will fry people's brains but would they listen? No! Now we've got Franko stuck in an infinite raving loop. I'll be sending Bob over with the BFG to correct the problem.

(aside to thaiboxerken: Sorry if you meant this to be a serious thread, but the comedic possibilities were just too much to resist.)

 

[Keneke]

acknowledging is not the same as PROVING they are real.

The same goes for anyone. Therefore, everyone is a solipsist through that reasoning. Theists, agnostics, everyone are solipsists, no exceptions. Kind of loses it's meaning after a while, huh?

If you doubt that Solipsism and A-Theism are the same, then kindly point out ONE SINGLE prediction that A-Theism (or materialism) makes that Solipsism doesn’t also make and make more parsimoniously?

That the world exists, and reality is not centrailzed? I don't know if atheism actually claims that though, but it seems like you are comparing apples to oranges. What does the disbelief in God have to do with the disbelief in all other realities but your self-awareness? Perhaps atheism is simply partial solipsism, the denial of a God-centered reality but not quite the acceptance of no others.

::sigh:: Fished in once again.

 

[Franko]

edit: This board has the most neutral group of people out there, honestly. This is the only place I have found that has at least a modicum of true rational, skeptic thought. Yeah, there are trolls, but I'd rather have a few trolls than EVERYONE on the board giving me groupthink ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

Well its no Infidels.org if that's what you mean (thank the Goddess), but considering this is suppose to be the RELIGION & PHILOSOPHY section of a SKEPTICS forum I still find attempted cult takeover by the A-Theists an abomination.

Skepticism <> Atheism

If there was a large group of Scientologist (or some other cult) coming to this board insulting anyone who disagreed with them, and claiming that Scientology was the only True non-religion for any True Skeptic, you would see a huge outcry, but since Randi himself and JREF itself are sympathetic to this particular cult, I guess the A-Theists get a pass.

 

[Franko]

That the world exists, and reality is not centrailzed? I don't know if atheism actually claims that though, but it seems like you are comparing apples to oranges. What does the disbelief in God have to do with the disbelief in all other realities but your self-awareness? Perhaps atheism is simply partial solipsism, the denial of a God-centered reality but not quite the acceptance of no others.

One way or the other "God" exist. The only question that remains is whether or not anyone else actually exist other than YOU to fill the position?