The "Carlos Swett affair"

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Do you have the original videotape? Do you have the original videotape recorder? Nothing else will suffice for any kind of analysis.

If you do not have the original tape and the original video recorder, you have nothing upon which to base a claim.
 
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Andrew's reply made perfect sense to the case
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Patricio Eliecer 08-27




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Randi gave you a poor answer to your application Comment: I think this is true, he could have given you a better and more comprehensive answer
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Patricio Eliecer 09-05




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I think the correct response from Randi should have been (or at least somewhere in the original response): "Our award is for a demonstration of paranormal activity. A videotape does not constitute a demonstration." End of discussion.
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Budddyh 08-27




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Andrew's 'investigation' seems pretty dodgy as well. We all know that a video on the internet is not likely to be of broadcast quality. I haven't seen the whole video - I just saw the short thing linked to in this thread. But Andrew seems to be saying that it didn't come from behind the tower, so therefore it is not paranormal. Huh? There must be more to this. The apparent speed of the object (again, I just saw the crappy thing linked to) seems to go against the 'bird' hypothesis.
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Thanz 08-27




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As I watch the little GIF of the video on the site that was posted here, I notice that the explosion that is going on when the second airplane strikes hardly moves at all. So obviously the clip is very short (though deceptive because you focus on the movement of the streak, and it seems to move slowly.) If you watch it, and count, you will notice that there are only 5 maybe 6 frames. I am guessing video is around 36 frames per second, so we are watching only .16th of a second of footage. Something that small and that short, sounds like a glitch of some kind in the video.
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The animated GIF contains 5 frames. The first frame has a delay of 0.5 seconds; the other four frames each have a delay of 0.25 seconds. The GIF therefore displays for 1.5 seconds each time it loops. Each delay can be altered in image-editing software. Because of this, it's not possible to tell how much time the original video would have required for this sequence.
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pyrrho2000 08-27




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I think that Randi needs to remember when dealing with such people that they are, more likely than not, incapable of being truly rational.
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ThirdTwin 08-27




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Lastly, I looked at the pictures on the MSN website. You appear to be quite a talented artist.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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, I'm sorry that this was not more cordially explained to you during your initial, follow-up correspondences with the JREF.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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I know that you are not interested in the money
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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. Again, I am sorry that Mr. Randi offended you. I hope that is enough.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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Andrew Harter said it's on the internet, but what is it?
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Patricio Eliecer 08-30




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; I'm honestly not sure why Harter used an internet copy of the video, if he already had a VHS tape from you
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rwald 08-30




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Harter was reporting the truth as he saw it,
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rwald 08-30




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I have found you to be a relatively reasonable person
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rwald 08-30




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. We never really gave you a chance to prove yourself for who you really are. I apologize for this. It is my belief that you should be allowed to again talk on the chat room.
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rwald 08-30




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I don't have time right now to translate your notarized application. I will read it tomorrow, and if I find something new or revealing on it I will translate it.
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Patricio Eliecer 08-30




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Carlos believes that he can show evidence that a paranormal event took place on 9/11. I tried telling him that one video does not constitute "proper observing conditions," but because Randi and Andrew did not specifically say this, he does not think this was the reason he was rejected. So, anyway, his misinterpretation of the rules at least has some basis.
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rwald 08-30




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I didn't want to translate because it would be pointless.
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thatguywhojuggles 09-01




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Well, I have translated the notarized application for the million dollars sent by Carlos Swett to the JREF.
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PatricioEliecer 09-01




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Harter DID examine the video and offer you an explanation. This is what you asked him to do
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-01




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I'm honestly not sure why Harter used an internet copy of the video, if he already had a VHS tape from you
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rwald 08-30




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A bird could certainly be the culprit.
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Andrew Harter JREF Researcher




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I think it's a bird, can I have $1M from the Birdwatcher's Club?
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bidlack 09-03




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When it says "event," it means "event which you cause." I know it doesn't say that. Don't bother telling me.
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rwald 09-03




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Yes, your application was opened. Yes, you received an official answer from the JREF. And then, your application was closed
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rwald 09-03




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You have just enterd into the "Troll" category in my opinion, and I will no longer comment on this subject.
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-03




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4) Andrew didn't examine your video, instead he only watched an internet low resolution movie of the eventComment: according to his e-mail response this is true.
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Patricio Eliecer 09-05




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Yes, Andrew didn't say that your application is not valid, nor said Randi.
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Patricio Eliecer 09-07




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A small sample taken from this thread:
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-11




Thanks,
S&S
 
pyrrho2000 said:
Do you have the original videotape? Do you have the original videotape recorder? Nothing else will suffice for any kind of analysis.

If you do not have the original tape and the original video recorder, you have nothing upon which to base a claim.
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This makes me think of the conversation a mother would have with her child:

Mother: Did you hit your brother?

Child: He started it. He said that...

Mother: Did you hit your brother?

Child: This isn't fair, he gets to have...

Mother: Did you hit your brother?

Child: You're not listening to me!

Mother DID YOU HIT YOUR BROTHER?

Child: He started it...


Good luck on getting your VERY SIMPLE, "yes" or "no" question answered, pyrrho2000.
 
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Andrew's reply made perfect sense to the case
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Patricio Eliecer 08-27




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Randi gave you a poor answer to your application Comment: I think this is true, he could have given you a better and more comprehensive answer
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Patricio Eliecer 09-05




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I think the correct response from Randi should have been (or at least somewhere in the original response): "Our award is for a demonstration of paranormal activity. A videotape does not constitute a demonstration." End of discussion.
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Budddyh 08-27




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Andrew's 'investigation' seems pretty dodgy as well. We all know that a video on the internet is not likely to be of broadcast quality. I haven't seen the whole video - I just saw the short thing linked to in this thread. But Andrew seems to be saying that it didn't come from behind the tower, so therefore it is not paranormal. Huh? There must be more to this. The apparent speed of the object (again, I just saw the crappy thing linked to) seems to go against the 'bird' hypothesis.
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Thanz 08-27




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As I watch the little GIF of the video on the site that was posted here, I notice that the explosion that is going on when the second airplane strikes hardly moves at all. So obviously the clip is very short (though deceptive because you focus on the movement of the streak, and it seems to move slowly.) If you watch it, and count, you will notice that there are only 5 maybe 6 frames. I am guessing video is around 36 frames per second, so we are watching only .16th of a second of footage. Something that small and that short, sounds like a glitch of some kind in the video.
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thatgaywhojuggles 08-27




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The animated GIF contains 5 frames. The first frame has a delay of 0.5 seconds; the other four frames each have a delay of 0.25 seconds. The GIF therefore displays for 1.5 seconds each time it loops. Each delay can be altered in image-editing software. Because of this, it's not possible to tell how much time the original video would have required for this sequence.
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pyrrho2000 08-27




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I think that Randi needs to remember when dealing with such people that they are, more likely than not, incapable of being truly rational.
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ThirdTwin 08-27




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Lastly, I looked at the pictures on the MSN website. You appear to be quite a talented artist.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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, I'm sorry that this was not more cordially explained to you during your initial, follow-up correspondences with the JREF.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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I know that you are not interested in the money
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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. Again, I am sorry that Mr. Randi offended you. I hope that is enough.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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Andrew Harter said it's on the internet, but what is it?
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Patricio Eliecer 08-30




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; I'm honestly not sure why Harter used an internet copy of the video, if he already had a VHS tape from you
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rwald 08-30




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Harter was reporting the truth as he saw it,
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rwald 08-30




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I have found you to be a relatively reasonable person
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rwald 08-30




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. We never really gave you a chance to prove yourself for who you really are. I apologize for this. It is my belief that you should be allowed to again talk on the chat room.
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rwald 08-30




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I don't have time right now to translate your notarized application. I will read it tomorrow, and if I find something new or revealing on it I will translate it.
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Patricio Eliecer 08-30




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Carlos believes that he can show evidence that a paranormal event took place on 9/11. I tried telling him that one video does not constitute "proper observing conditions," but because Randi and Andrew did not specifically say this, he does not think this was the reason he was rejected. So, anyway, his misinterpretation of the rules at least has some basis.
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rwald 08-30




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I didn't want to translate because it would be pointless.
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thatguywhojuggles 09-01




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Well, I have translated the notarized application for the million dollars sent by Carlos Swett to the JREF.
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PatricioEliecer 09-01




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Harter DID examine the video and offer you an explanation. This is what you asked him to do
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-01




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I'm honestly not sure why Harter used an internet copy of the video, if he already had a VHS tape from you
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rwald 08-30




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A bird could certainly be the culprit.
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Andrew Harter JREF Researcher




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I think it's a bird, can I have $1M from the Birdwatcher's Club?
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bidlack 09-03




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When it says "event," it means "event which you cause." I know it doesn't say that. Don't bother telling me.
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rwald 09-03




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Yes, your application was opened. Yes, you received an official answer from the JREF. And then, your application was closed
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rwald 09-03




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You have just enterd into the "Troll" category in my opinion, and I will no longer comment on this subject.
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-03




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4) Andrew didn't examine your video, instead he only watched an internet low resolution movie of the eventComment: according to his e-mail response this is true.
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Patricio Eliecer 09-05




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Yes, Andrew didn't say that your application is not valid, nor said Randi.
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Patricio Eliecer 09-07




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A small sample taken from this thread:
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-11




Thanks,
S&S [/B][/QUOTE]
 
latinijral said:


Hi Pyrro2000:

You posted twice that argument.
I already answered that inquire before., but you deserves a long explain.

"The terrorist attack on the World Trade Center was the most documented EVENT in history" HBO special (2002 Sept)
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Irrelevant opinion, which we can discard.


As you see they were documenting a terrorist attack (terrible, criminal, etc.), their minds were focused in another angle, the attack.
The difference is that I made only an "extra observation" which I put in my notharized applicattion to JREF challenge. I am the one who did the observation of a paranormal activity during that terrible and criminal EVENT.
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It has not been established that what you saw on TV was paranormal activity.


I send JREF a tape with the same shot and image broadcasted by differents networks of the world (USA, Spain; Germain; Chile, Ecuador, etc.). As you see "everybody" was receiving that image in their homes, the news were focused in the crash of the plain; I did not.
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What they were focused on is irrelevant. Once again, what they broadcast was from a copy of the original tape or digital video -- we don't know which it was.


I recommended JREF to analyze the shot using the correct or best technical method, but Mr. Harter(JREF) studied the tape "frame by frame" in a tape available on the internet and gave me a poor answer based on a poor method. Was not my fault, was Harter's mistake. No a single word from him about that my application was not valid.
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Harter told you that it was not a paranormal event. It follows that your claim is not valid.


By the way, do you see "events " of different type on your t.v.?
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Yes. Glitches occur from time to time.


Do you think the Apollo 11 landed on the moon and Neil Amstrong was the first man walked on the moon?Have you checked the original tape and video tape recorder to be sure ?
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Sorry, that is not the same as what you are claiming. You cannot use uncertainty as evidence that your claim is correct. At best, doing so leaves us at the same place we began.


Is the same with the broadcast of sports "live", sometimes are something else in the images that nothing have to do with the sports they are transmmiting.
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That's essentially what I meant.


I saw yesterday the HBO special, was based on the work of 16 news organizations. The only shot not included was the one we are talking about here.(???)
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Irrelevant.


I am still waiting the answer here or in the home page of Mr. Randi (JREF) saying I am a troll , idiot, stupid and similars, but also the reasons why and with the honesty of publishing my notarized application and the answer his researcher gave me.There are more than 2000 visitors that deserves a little respect
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Appeal to Popularity...



Until then..........

Thanks
S&S

P.S: The same answer to "thatgay", but I guess he said last week he will never write anymore in "the Carlos Swett affair". Perhaps he is worried abot the rating ( the stars) so he decided to vote. I tell you that my "rating" are the more than 2000 visitors to this case in only two weeks. For them are my respects not for the stars.
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The rating is irrelevant to the claim. The number of views of the thread does not equate to 2000 different people.
 
"Recordando a Linda"

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Originally posted by Linda 08-27-2002
Interesting.....Sr. Swett just registered for the message boards today. I expect we'll be hearing from him.
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Hola Linda:


I remember I wrote you asking for your advice about if I can write in the forum. After 20 messages you put the message I am quoting here from you . Your expectation by that time has been satisfied.

I started writing here at 08-29-2002
Now is time fo give you my special thanks to you for that opening,

I guess this case had many visitors and writers, differents points of view that I respect, and that I tried to give them true answers.

All the reasonable questions of the members of this forum I have answered. Those members (after my answers) have no more "smarts" replies.

Now I see a tactic from the "juveniles" or "brainless" members based on the insults to minospreciate my real notarized application to the challenge. Is rare for me that in a forum of an educational foundation they can not defeat me with reasonable arguments, only insults. Well,I guess, our earth has space for everybody, now.

I am defending alone a truth : I made an application to the challenge and I received a poor answer by e-mail from one of the members of the JREF, and that poor answer was after I asked several times Mr. Randi about the answer to my application ( "who are you and what the hell are you raving about ?" was Mr. Randi answer).

I only have one question ; ¿ When one of the members of the JREF will give their oppinion of my case, or are you satisfied with Andrew Harter's poor answer ? If you can , please answer me that simple question. I hope that does not cause you troubles at the JREF.


I still respect you all and support your works at the JREF.
I asume that you (JREF) made a mistake with me, but sometimes that occurs in the "better families".

Gracias Preciosa,
S&S

P.S. Sorry for my english.
My e- mail is [email protected] I don't have nothing to hide. Thanks again.
 
Carlos,

I keep seeing references to you calling me "thatgay." Understanding your language barrier, I was willing to let it slip a few times, assuming that it was just a spelling mistake. But lately I am begining to wonder if you are actually using the word "gay" as an insult to me?

Do you consider the word "gay" to be an insult? Someone who uses the word "gay" as an insult is obviously a homophobic bigot. Are you a homophobic bigot, Carlos? Are there other social groups that you have a dislike, maybe hatred towards (Jewish people? Asians? Blacks? Women?)

I'm just trying to figure out what kind of person you are.
 
the guy who cries

thatguywhojuggles said:
Carlos,

I keep seeing references to you calling me "thatgay." Understanding your language barrier, I was willing to let it slip a few times, assuming that it was just a spelling mistake. But lately I am begining to wonder if you are actually using the word "gay" as an insult to me?
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Hi guy:

Do you have something against trolls?You forgot latins, too.

No reasonable arguments from you to the "Carlos Swett affair"

You are supposed to be away of this, you are invisible (or imbecile) , or you came to vote again ?

Go play with your balls , don¨t miss the teletubbies.
Go away, this is an Educational Foundation Forum, first pass the elementary school,
Don´t waist your time. Fight for S Browne, don´t loose energies.

Thanks.

S&S
 
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S&S said:

Hi guy:

Do you have something against trolls?
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:D :D Why, yes Carlos, I do have something against Trolls! How could you tell? Nothing gets by you, does it?


You forgot latins, too.
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Do I have something against latin people? No. It just so happens that I grew up in Cochabamba Bolivia. I was there until I was 15. I was quite fond of the Bolivians. My best friends were Bolivians. My brother and sister both married Bolivians. So, no, I don't have anything against Latin people.

Now, would you like to answer MY question, since I have answered yours? Are you a homophobic bigot?


No reasonable arguments from you to the "Carlos Swett affair"

You are supposed to be away of this, you are invisible (or imbecile) , or you came to vote again ?
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The forum is designed to only let you vote once. You KNOW why I am here. I am here to make your life miserable. I like to make Trolls feel unwanted! Its fun!


Go play with your balls , don¨t miss the teletubbies.
Go away, this is an Educational Foundation Forum, first pass the elementary school,
Don´t waist your time. Fight for S Browne, don´t loose energies.

Thanks.

S&S
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Thank you for the suggestions, Troll. I think I would rather just sit here and poke at you with a stick. :D
 
Re: the guy who cries

S&S said:


Hi guy:

Do you have something against trolls?You forgot latins, too.

No reasonable arguments from you to the "Carlos Swett affair"

You are supposed to be away of this, you are invisible (or imbecile) , or you came to vote again ?

Go play with your balls , don¨t miss the teletubbies.
Go away, this is an Educational Foundation Forum, first pass the elementary school,
Don´t waist your time. Fight for S Browne, don´t loose energies.

Thanks.

S&S
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This week, La-La gets all in a tizz because she has lost her handbag. Was it stolen by a ghost?

Why not video it and try and claim a million bucks.......
 
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S&S said:
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Andrew's reply made perfect sense to the case
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Patricio Eliecer 08-27




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Randi gave you a poor answer to your application Comment: I think this is true, he could have given you a better and more comprehensive answer
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Patricio Eliecer 09-05




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I think the correct response from Randi should have been (or at least somewhere in the original response): "Our award is for a demonstration of paranormal activity. A videotape does not constitute a demonstration." End of discussion.
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Budddyh 08-27




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Andrew's 'investigation' seems pretty dodgy as well. We all know that a video on the internet is not likely to be of broadcast quality. I haven't seen the whole video - I just saw the short thing linked to in this thread. But Andrew seems to be saying that it didn't come from behind the tower, so therefore it is not paranormal. Huh? There must be more to this. The apparent speed of the object (again, I just saw the crappy thing linked to) seems to go against the 'bird' hypothesis.
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Thanz 08-27




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As I watch the little GIF of the video on the site that was posted here, I notice that the explosion that is going on when the second airplane strikes hardly moves at all. So obviously the clip is very short (though deceptive because you focus on the movement of the streak, and it seems to move slowly.) If you watch it, and count, you will notice that there are only 5 maybe 6 frames. I am guessing video is around 36 frames per second, so we are watching only .16th of a second of footage. Something that small and that short, sounds like a glitch of some kind in the video.
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thatgaywhojuggles 08-27




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The animated GIF contains 5 frames. The first frame has a delay of 0.5 seconds; the other four frames each have a delay of 0.25 seconds. The GIF therefore displays for 1.5 seconds each time it loops. Each delay can be altered in image-editing software. Because of this, it's not possible to tell how much time the original video would have required for this sequence.
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pyrrho2000 08-27




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I think that Randi needs to remember when dealing with such people that they are, more likely than not, incapable of being truly rational.
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ThirdTwin 08-27




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Lastly, I looked at the pictures on the MSN website. You appear to be quite a talented artist.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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, I'm sorry that this was not more cordially explained to you during your initial, follow-up correspondences with the JREF.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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I know that you are not interested in the money
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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. Again, I am sorry that Mr. Randi offended you. I hope that is enough.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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Andrew Harter said it's on the internet, but what is it?
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Patricio Eliecer 08-30




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; I'm honestly not sure why Harter used an internet copy of the video, if he already had a VHS tape from you
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rwald 08-30




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Harter was reporting the truth as he saw it,
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rwald 08-30




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I have found you to be a relatively reasonable person
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rwald 08-30




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. We never really gave you a chance to prove yourself for who you really are. I apologize for this. It is my belief that you should be allowed to again talk on the chat room.
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rwald 08-30




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I don't have time right now to translate your notarized application. I will read it tomorrow, and if I find something new or revealing on it I will translate it.
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Patricio Eliecer 08-30




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Carlos believes that he can show evidence that a paranormal event took place on 9/11. I tried telling him that one video does not constitute "proper observing conditions," but because Randi and Andrew did not specifically say this, he does not think this was the reason he was rejected. So, anyway, his misinterpretation of the rules at least has some basis.
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rwald 08-30




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I didn't want to translate because it would be pointless.
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thatguywhojuggles 09-01




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Well, I have translated the notarized application for the million dollars sent by Carlos Swett to the JREF.
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PatricioEliecer 09-01




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Harter DID examine the video and offer you an explanation. This is what you asked him to do
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-01




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I'm honestly not sure why Harter used an internet copy of the video, if he already had a VHS tape from you
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rwald 08-30




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A bird could certainly be the culprit.
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Andrew Harter JREF Researcher




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I think it's a bird, can I have $1M from the Birdwatcher's Club?
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bidlack 09-03




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When it says "event," it means "event which you cause." I know it doesn't say that. Don't bother telling me.
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rwald 09-03




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Yes, your application was opened. Yes, you received an official answer from the JREF. And then, your application was closed
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rwald 09-03




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You have just enterd into the "Troll" category in my opinion, and I will no longer comment on this subject.
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-03




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4) Andrew didn't examine your video, instead he only watched an internet low resolution movie of the eventComment: according to his e-mail response this is true.
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Patricio Eliecer 09-05




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Yes, Andrew didn't say that your application is not valid, nor said Randi.
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Patricio Eliecer 09-07




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A small sample taken from this thread:
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-11




Thanks,
S&S
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Inky Dinky Quote

"All the reasonable questions of the members of this forum I have answered. Those members (after my answers) have no more "smarts" replies."

You still haven't adequately answered the most basic question, Carlos, Why didn't anyone in New York report this paranormal sight? Your claim that they were focused on the planes hitting the buildings doesn't have any merit. It is fundamental human nature to follow fast moving large objects erupting from a source suddenly. If your paranormal object did in fact fly out of Tower two when Tower one was struck most or at least some of the people on the ground in position to see your object would have followed it with their eyes. Not one person reported it. Nobody saw it. It has been pointed out to you several times that the reason you saw something could be explained by any number of reasonable causes not dependent on supernatural/paranormal events. It has been pointed out to you that the burden of proof is on you. It is not on JREF. They don't don't have to prove nada. YOU have to prove it could NOT have been anything but paranormal. You have never made any reasonable reponse to anyone pointing out these things to you. Instead you tell them to "go to their dogs" or watch Teletubbies. This is why you are called a Troll. I'm starting a pool for when you decide to give up and leave this forum alone. I'm taking "never."
 
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S&S said:
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Andrew's reply made perfect sense to the case
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Patricio Eliecer 08-27




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Randi gave you a poor answer to your application Comment: I think this is true, he could have given you a better and more comprehensive answer
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Patricio Eliecer 09-05




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I think the correct response from Randi should have been (or at least somewhere in the original response): "Our award is for a demonstration of paranormal activity. A videotape does not constitute a demonstration." End of discussion.
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Budddyh 08-27




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Andrew's 'investigation' seems pretty dodgy as well. We all know that a video on the internet is not likely to be of broadcast quality. I haven't seen the whole video - I just saw the short thing linked to in this thread. But Andrew seems to be saying that it didn't come from behind the tower, so therefore it is not paranormal. Huh? There must be more to this. The apparent speed of the object (again, I just saw the crappy thing linked to) seems to go against the 'bird' hypothesis.
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Thanz 08-27




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As I watch the little GIF of the video on the site that was posted here, I notice that the explosion that is going on when the second airplane strikes hardly moves at all. So obviously the clip is very short (though deceptive because you focus on the movement of the streak, and it seems to move slowly.) If you watch it, and count, you will notice that there are only 5 maybe 6 frames. I am guessing video is around 36 frames per second, so we are watching only .16th of a second of footage. Something that small and that short, sounds like a glitch of some kind in the video.
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The animated GIF contains 5 frames. The first frame has a delay of 0.5 seconds; the other four frames each have a delay of 0.25 seconds. The GIF therefore displays for 1.5 seconds each time it loops. Each delay can be altered in image-editing software. Because of this, it's not possible to tell how much time the original video would have required for this sequence.
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I think that Randi needs to remember when dealing with such people that they are, more likely than not, incapable of being truly rational.
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Lastly, I looked at the pictures on the MSN website. You appear to be quite a talented artist.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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, I'm sorry that this was not more cordially explained to you during your initial, follow-up correspondences with the JREF.
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ThirdTwin 09-03




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I know that you are not interested in the money
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. Again, I am sorry that Mr. Randi offended you. I hope that is enough.
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Andrew Harter said it's on the internet, but what is it?
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; I'm honestly not sure why Harter used an internet copy of the video, if he already had a VHS tape from you
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rwald 08-30




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Harter was reporting the truth as he saw it,
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I have found you to be a relatively reasonable person
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. We never really gave you a chance to prove yourself for who you really are. I apologize for this. It is my belief that you should be allowed to again talk on the chat room.
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I don't have time right now to translate your notarized application. I will read it tomorrow, and if I find something new or revealing on it I will translate it.
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Carlos believes that he can show evidence that a paranormal event took place on 9/11. I tried telling him that one video does not constitute "proper observing conditions," but because Randi and Andrew did not specifically say this, he does not think this was the reason he was rejected. So, anyway, his misinterpretation of the rules at least has some basis.
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I didn't want to translate because it would be pointless.
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thatguywhojuggles 09-01




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Well, I have translated the notarized application for the million dollars sent by Carlos Swett to the JREF.
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Harter DID examine the video and offer you an explanation. This is what you asked him to do
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I'm honestly not sure why Harter used an internet copy of the video, if he already had a VHS tape from you
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A bird could certainly be the culprit.
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I think it's a bird, can I have $1M from the Birdwatcher's Club?
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bidlack 09-03




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When it says "event," it means "event which you cause." I know it doesn't say that. Don't bother telling me.
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Yes, your application was opened. Yes, you received an official answer from the JREF. And then, your application was closed
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You have just enterd into the "Troll" category in my opinion, and I will no longer comment on this subject.
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4) Andrew didn't examine your video, instead he only watched an internet low resolution movie of the eventComment: according to his e-mail response this is true.
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Yes, Andrew didn't say that your application is not valid, nor said Randi.
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A small sample taken from this thread:
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thatgaywhojuggles 09-11




Thanks,
S&S
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Very well. I will assume that you have nothing else to say, since you have resorted to spamming the thread.

Plonk.
 
The "Amazing Circus"

thatguywhojuggles said:
Carlos,

Did you know that Tinky Winky is accused of being GAY?

How does that make you feel? Do you hate Tinky Winky?
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It seems that is time for the clown´s act.
You all are doing your best
besides you are only clowns
with no brain and replies
In this big circus
I am still waiting
for the owner of the clowns:
the "amazing"
to say something,
in his big silence
we have only sighs

Thanks,
S&S
 
Re: The "Amazing Circus"

S&S said:

I am still waiting
for the owner of the clowns:
the "amazing"
to say something,
in his big silence
we have only sighs

Thanks,
S&S
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Hey there Troll. Hows it going? I just wanted to point out that Randi did say something.

"What you presented is nothing mysterious. Your application is closed." -James Randi

What else does he have to say? Go away Troll! If you don't, I am just going to keep poking you with a stick!
 
OK, I'm not saying this proves or disproves anything (Carlos, please don't tell me your video was originally broadcast live to everyone in the world, and couldn't have been edited; I already know this); I just think it is funny.

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Yes, I know this is gallows humor, at best. I mean no disrespect to those who died on 9/11/01. I'm just making fun of the Swett video. Please don't turn around and say I'm anti-American; that simply isn't true. I'm just taking the existing video, and trying to find some humor in it.
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