The "Carlos Swett affair"

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: PROUD BAD CLOWN

S&S said:


Bad clown Rwald :

You made a terible mistake and you are paying for it.

Your "gallows humor" of "having fun" of the tragedy of 9/11/01 by posting a tricked video and your proud of it (besides is still here) made you (I am talking in first person) a detestable and non original stupid person., a LOW POINT for this Educational Foundation.

Thanks,
S&S

The low point was your first post. Ba-dingggg!

Am I in the ABC?

:D
 
Well, strictly speaking, the low point was when latin/ijral first started talking on the IRC channel...but I'll give you credit for that one, Skeptoid. You're in.

rwald
Corresponding Secretary of the Association of Brilliant Chaps (ABC)
 
Re: Roster for the ABC!

rwald said:
Hi, everyone. I was talking with Swett, and I decided that we needed a complete club roster. So, here it is:

(...snip...)


Remember, we're still looking for new members, so if you're interested in joining, just post to this thread. For that matter, we still have some offices which need filling, so if you think you can help out, feel free to speak up.

rwald
Corresponding Secretary of the Association of Brilliant Chaps (ABC)

Is this kinda like the Jets and the Sharks?

*snapping my fingers to a beat*
 
S&S said:

Thanks,
S&S

Dear S&S,

May I humbly suggest that you instead formulate your future posts as psychedelic haikus and, above all, that you end them with "Thank you". You would be more in character that way.
 
You are lying again when you said "calling everyone here ignorants clowns", no , no , I do respect the rest of the members, they had their own point of view and they have received an answer from me and I imagine they have been satisfy,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This actually tops your previous posts for sheer stupidity. (Well, maybe not, but it's still great) Man, you are really delusional if you believe everyone here is satisfied. How could they be? You haven't given a straight answer to anyone since this thread started. You see, if you had answered anyone here with a satisfactory answer, you'd be hearing a lot more "Gee, Carlos, you're right. Let's take down the JREF!" and a lot less "Carlos, you are a dumbf*ck troll. You aren't convincing anyone. Get out."

Also, I don't know what alternate universe that you live in where you have been respecting the other board members opinions. The mere fact that you call anyone who disagrees with you "ignorant clown" is testament to that. As far as me "lying" about you calling eyeryone ignorant clowns...this might explain why you will never understand exactly what Andrew Harter said. You see, not every word in the English language is black and white. "Everyone" is an infinitive, like "some" or "few". It can refer to a variable number. In this language, "everyone" is used to refer to the majority, or just a large group of people. OK, you haven't insulted everyone; I noticed you haven't called latinijral/IggyK "ignorant clown", even though all he's done is spam the thread, double- and triple-posting your material.

And finally, as for your comment about your name elicting sighs on the JREF broadcast: I really thought I explained this to you, but apparently, in your little world, nothing I say is important unless you can post it out of context and make me look bad. I never said they only sighed. They still responded to your ramblings (I'm sure the others here can vouch for that).
 
FACTS ONLY FACTS

Smiley01 said:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!............., as for your comment about your name elicting sighs on the JREF broadcast: I really thought I explained this to you, but apparently, in your little world, nothing I say is important unless you can post it out of context and make me look bad. I never said they only sighed. They still responded to your ramblings (I'm sure the others here can vouch for that).

Hi Smiley : So there where not only sighs from Harter,and James Randi.

Well, I guess you can prove that now.

I give you all (ABC ) a tip : ask them to write about it and to post my notarized application and their poor answer (that´s all).
Are they (JREF) afraid ? of what?
Or are they using "the ostrich method"?

Facts, my dear Smiley, facts, no bla, bla, bla and bad jokes.
Try to be originals, is not hard, just use your mind.

Thanks,
S&S
 
Carlos -

I'm really amused by your persistence in this matter. A person would have to explore some kind of hyperspace to find an angle from which your argument hasn't been successfully attacked. Your application simply doesn't pass the sniff test. How many times must one smell ◊◊◊◊ in order to determine that it is, in fact, ◊◊◊◊?


edited for punctuation.
 
ANOTHER BRICK ON THE WALL

Skeptoid said:
Carlos -

I'm really amused by your persistence in this matter. A person would have to explore some kind of hyperspace to find an angle from which your argument hasn't been successfully attacked. Your application simply doesn't pass the sniff test. How many times must one smell ◊◊◊◊ in order to determine that it is, in fact, ◊◊◊◊.

Hi Skeptoid ;

No arguments only insults, but still you will get an answer .

First : Is your nickname from the WWF ?

Second: About my persistence :I have to fight when my name (not a nickname) is involved in a farse of people that don´t have the simple honesty to try to see is what I claimed is true.
I thought I was talking to real sceptics , but the most (ABC) are really Randi´s believers.

Third: check this :

Reply
Message 98 in Discussion "WHO KNOWS THIS STORY" (msn)

From: Smiley01 Sent: 8/24/2002 8:26 PM
FINALLY we have a chance to put this whole issue to rest. ......
A few other comments. First of all, the object is clearly coming from behind the tower, not through it. Second, I found it odd that the object was the exact same color as the sky directly above it. This seems to indicate that it is a photo anomaly, not a "paranormal force". Though I am certainly not an expert on photography, ..............
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------



As you see Skeptoid , there is a different version than Harter´s poor answer. It comes I know from an impusive and hurried member lyke Smiley, but it is there. That is another fact.
I hope you are not the same kind.

Thanks,
S&S
 
As smiley01 said several posts back:

-How is it, that with several million people on the ground, watching the towers, that there wasn't a single eyewitness present? Particuarly those in the path of it's trajectory?

-Why can't you come up with any footage of the object from other angles?


ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS OR GO AWAY!!!
 
Re: ANOTHER BRICK ON THE WALL

S&S said:


No arguments only insults, but still you will get an answer .


No insult intended. Just making an observation.

First : Is your nickname from the WWF ?

No, it comes from an argument with a friend who, like you, believes in paranormal nonsense. When, out of frustration, I called him a creduloid, he called me a skeptoid. I consider it a compliment.

Just to be pedantic ... It's the WWE now, they lost a lawsuit.

I thought I was talking to real sceptics , but the most (ABC) are really Randi´s believers.

You'll never find more "real skeptics" than you've found right here. That's why you don't find acceptance for your claim. A skeptic requires evidence. You've provided little in that respect. You haven't convinced me.

As you see Skeptoid , there is a different version than Harter´s poor answer.

I agree with Randi and Harter. Your claim should have been dismissed out of hand ... I doesn't pass the sniff test.
 
Carlos, you're using the same strategy as creationists who attempt to prove that one small part of evoluton is wrong, and then say, "If that part is wrong, then the whole theory must be, as well." We never said that it must have been a bird, or that Harter's guess must have been correct. All we're saying is that it was almost certainly a natural phenomanon, not a paranormal one. If you were able to prove that it was not a bird, this would not automatically mean it was a paranormal object; there are plenty of other possible natural explanations, and until you have disproven them all, you have no evidence to support your claim.

rwald
Corresponding Secretary of the Association of Brilliant Chaps (ABC)
 
With apologies to Monty Python

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. It was just too apt.

S&S submits a claim to JREF.

JREF FORUM: I wish to complain about this claim what you submitted.

S&S: Oh yes, the, uh, the Paranormal Object. What's,uh...What's wrong with it?

JREF FORUM: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

S&S: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.

JREF FORUM: Look, matey, I know a dead claim when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

S&S: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable phenomenon, the paranormal object. Beautiful resolution.

JREF FORUM: The resolution don't enter into it. It's stone dead.

S&S: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!

JREF FORUM: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Polly Claim! I've got a lovely fresh apparition for you if you show...(owner hits the cage)

S&S: There, he moved!

JREF FORUM: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage!

S&S: I never!!

JREF FORUM: Yes, you did!

S&S: I never, never did anything...

JREF FORUM: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO POLLY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!

(Takes claim out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)

JREF FORUM: Now that's what I call a dead claim.

S&S: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!

JREF FORUM: STUNNED?!?

S&S: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Paranormal objects stun easily, major.

JREF FORUM: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That claim is definitely deceased, and when you submitted it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of credibility was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged examination.

S&S: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for Niburu.

JREF FORUM: PININ' for Niburu?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?

S&S: The Paranormal object prefers keepin' on it's back! Remarkable phenomenon, id'nit, squire? Lovely resolution!

JREF FORUM: Look, I took the liberty of examining that claim when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that it had been NAILED there.

S&S: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that claim down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its beak, and VOOM! Feeweeweewee!

JREF FORUM: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this claim wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!

S&S: No no! 'E's pining!

JREF FORUM: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This claim is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! He's f*ckin' snuffed it!..... THIS IS AN EX-CLAIM!!
 
Reply
Message 98 in Discussion "WHO KNOWS THIS STORY" (msn)

From: Smiley01 Sent: 8/24/2002 8:26 PM
FINALLY we have a chance to put this whole issue to rest. ......
A few other comments. First of all, the object is clearly coming from behind the tower, not through it. Second, I found it odd that the object was the exact same color as the sky directly above it. This seems to indicate that it is a photo anomaly, not a "paranormal force". Though I am certainly not an expert on photography, ..............

Holy ◊◊◊◊. I responded to this BS back on the Skeptic's forum, so all Swett is doing is proving my point about taking things out of context.

Geez, I make one mistake and, of course, Swett waves it like a flag. Here is my current, correct opinion: The object was a bird, flying too close for the camera to focus on it. It did not come from behind the building.

But of course, Swett (who seems to have selective amnesia) forgot completely about my retracting that statement.

On the plus side, I found a few interesting bits and pieces while reading that thread:

...I have received e-mails telling me the strange position of Randi and his negative of answering their questions about my official challenge,...

I forgot about this completely, but now that I've seen it again, I'd really love to hear more about these e-mails.

Also, will someone else here who gets the broadcast please tell this moron that Randi and co. responded to his ramblings?
 
PREPARING HIS TRIP

Shaun from Scotland said:
As smiley01 said several posts back:

-How is it, that with several million people on the ground, watching the towers, that there wasn't a single eyewitness present? Particuarly those in the path of it's trajectory?

-Why can't you come up with any footage of the object from other angles?


ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS OR GO AWAY!!!

Hi Shaun of Scotland:

You want me to answer this again? Well, I guess you don´t read all the posts.

First: several million of people on the ground watching the towers? you are wrong, there were several millions of people of all the world watching this tragic EVENT by T.V..
Everybody was looking the plane crashes and when that fatal moment happened people on the ground reacted according the human reflect does: run or protect yourself, no time for nothing else. But the cameramans and the tapes on it are the eyes you are looking for : so focus in the shot that shows the paranormal EVENT.

Second: you want it from another angle? notice that the shot of what I made my observation is censured (never more) . it is the most clear shot from one close nearest angle of all the impacts. But . yes there is another one (edited by the CNN) and sold by the cameraman in 1 million box( the same day of the tragedy), and broadcasted on air 6 months later in a special edition.I taped that too.And also that tape was not presented (at least not complete) this year anniversary of the tragedy.

I hope that now you can sleep well , and canalyze your anger destroying your computer and leaving this forum.Go see the real world, is beautiful. A cup of scoth? Salud!!!!

Thanks,

S&S

P.S. If you didn't lyke the answer , there is another one : because is paranormal, that's the reason. Which one do you like?
 
WORRIED SMILEY

Smiley01 said:


Holy ◊◊◊◊. I responded to this BS back on the Skeptic's forum, so all Swett is doing is proving my point about taking things out of context

But of course, Swett (who seems to have selective amnesia) forgot completely about my retracting that statement.

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Geez, I make one mistake and, of course, Swett waves it like a flag. Here is my current, correct opinion: The object was a bird, flying too close for the camera to focus on it. It did not come from behind the building.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Also, will someone else here who gets the broadcast please tell this moron that Randi and co. responded to his ramblings?

Worried Smiley:

Relax, even Randi and Harter made mitakes in this case, but you made it twice :now it seems that you are with Harte's version using a poor method ( that's why you are failing).

Ask De-Bunk (your defender) , he has a better version of the "bird" (is posted here), perhaps you will retract again.

Besides, if you e-mailed Harter : How is a sigh by e-mail?

Thanks,
S&S

P.S. if you all 3 (Smiley, Wyrd , and Iggy)0f Skeptics Forum banned me , why you all 3 are following me here?UMMM.
 
Re: PREPARING HIS TRIP

S&S said:


Hi Shaun of Scotland:

You want me to answer this again? Well, I guess you don´t read all the posts.

First: several million of people on the ground watching the towers? you are wrong, there were several millions of people of all the world watching this tragic EVENT by T.V..
Everybody was looking the plane crashes and when that fatal moment happened people on the ground reacted according the human reflect does: run or protect yourself, no time for nothing else. But the cameramans and the tapes on it are the eyes you are looking for : so focus in the shot that shows the paranormal EVENT.


How do you know there were not several million people watching? The population of New York is over ten million. If 2 planes had crashed in my city I would go for a look. The number of people watching is irrelevant anyway. Furthermore, if its peoples natural reaction to run, why didn't THE PEOPLE HOLDING THE CAMERAS RUN TOO? Your point is BS of the highest order.


Second: you want it from another angle? notice that the shot of what I made my observation is censured (never more) . it is the most clear shot from one close nearest angle of all the impacts. But . yes there is another one (edited by the CNN) and sold by the cameraman in 1 million box( the same day of the tragedy), and broadcasted on air 6 months later in a special edition.I taped that too.And also that tape was not presented (at least not complete) this year anniversary of the tragedy.

Debatable. A french film crew caught both impacts close up and this event is not on either of their tapes.

I hope that now you can sleep well , and canalyze your anger destroying your computer and leaving this forum.Go see the real world, is beautiful. A cup of scoth? Salud!!!!

I have analysed my anger extensively. When analysing I found that the phrase "Stop feeding the loony bin troll" sprang to mind.

Thanks,

S&S

P.S. If you didn't lyke the answer , there is another one : because is paranormal, that's the reason. Which one do you like?

I think I prefer the second one. It makes you look less of a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ than you really are and I always try to find peoples good points.
 
First: several million of people on the ground watching the towers? you are wrong, there were several millions of people of all the world watching this tragic EVENT by T.V..
Everybody was looking the plane crashes and when that fatal moment happened people on the ground reacted according the human reflect does: run or protect yourself, no time for nothing else. But the cameramans and the tapes on it are the eyes you are looking for : so focus in the shot that shows the paranormal EVENT.

Not a good excuse. The "object" appeared after the second plane hit, several minutes after the first one. No one watching was still running at this point. Also, how is it, if everyone was running and covering themselves, that these cameramen were standing their ground, recording all this? To the best of my knowledge, there is no footage in existence showing the first plane hitting the towers. This means that those with cameras didn't start recording until they were as far away as everyone else.

Second: you want it from another angle? notice that the shot of what I made my observation is censured (never more) . it is the most clear shot from one close nearest angle of all the impacts. But . yes there is another one (edited by the CNN) and sold by the cameraman in 1 million box( the same day of the tragedy), and broadcasted on air 6 months later in a special edition.I taped that too.And also that tape was not presented (at least not complete) this year anniversary of the tragedy.

Do you have any way for us to see it? Remember, the corraborating video must show the exact same event occuring as the other one. The "object" must be coming from the same place, at the same speed, trajectory, etc. Also, you really need to stop claiming that the US media is trying to censor you (or whoever you claim is censoring you; not like I understand half your arguments anyway). Our media loves the paranormal. Our media not exploiting something that had even the vaguest possibilaty of being paranormal is a bit like being told by Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff that you don't have psychic powers; you must really not be psychic.

Finally, you really need to get a better grasp on what "censorship" means. Without using Webster's, I can tell you that it means the systematic suppression of information. The media doesn't show every second of footage they take. If they leave part out, it isn't censorship. If they destroyed or altered all copies of the footage and sent people around to threaten those who talked about it, then that would be consorship. Hell, if they were really censoring you, you probably wouldn't even be posting here. There are ways of silencing dissent online.

On the plus side, it's good to see that you are answering questions for a change. It only took, what? Two months?

Besides, if you e-mailed Harter : How is a sigh by e-mail?

It's called a live Internet broadcast. I think I explained this.
 
Smiley01 said:

To the best of my knowledge, there is no footage in existence showing the first plane hitting the towers.


There was at least one video camera that captured the first plane hitting the towers. I saw it on the news. Someone was at a worksite, where I believe they were working on the sewer lines, and happen to have a video camera running. They heard the plane fly over, and pivoted the camera up just in time to catch the first plane hit.

Of course, that just strenghthens the idea that there must have been hundreds, maybe thousands of home video cameras, and dozens of professional videographers (sp?) capturing the second plane hitting the building. If this "paranormal" event could be captured by one video camera, there stands no reason it couldn't be captured on another dozen video cameras pointed at the same area.

But we haven't seen one yet.
 
NO MORE INSULTS

thatguywhojuggles said:


There was at least one video camera that captured the first plane hitting the towers. I saw it on the news. Someone was at a worksite, where I believe they were working on the sewer lines, and happen to have a video camera running. They heard the plane fly over, and pivoted the camera up just in time to catch the first plane hit.

Of course, that just strenghthens the idea that there must have been hundreds, maybe thousands of home video cameras, and dozens of professional videographers (sp?) capturing the second plane hitting the building. If this "paranormal" event could be captured by one video camera, there stands no reason it couldn't be captured on another dozen video cameras pointed at the same area.

But we haven't seen one yet.

Amazing thatguywhojuggles:

I see a change in your attitude, congratulations, there is not a single insult, that means you are starting to use your mind.

What you are posting is correct about the first plane crash (Smiley is a little hurried).
Your appreciation about the second impact is correct, too, That doesn´t mean that all the cameras were pointed at the same angle, but they were at least two of them as I said before that clearly shows what I am pointing.

Have you analize at least one of them( the shot of the application)the correct way?

Do you work or represent JREF in the challenge?

Do you think Harter used a poor method to analize the shot?

Do you know the link of internet where Harter studied the shot "frame by frame?

Do you know if Randi analize the shot , too?

Do you know where was Randi when my application was received at JREF?

Do you know why Randi asked me "who are you and what the hell are you raving about" "I want to deal with you"after 2 weeks that my application was received at the JREF?

Do you see the shot in the aniversary of the tragedy?

If you saw it, did you taped and studied the shot?

Is a bird , a missil, or a fastest cloud?

Why it can not be seen "against" the north tower.(not the smoke)?

Why it gives a wrong impression that comes from behind the north tower?
------------------------------------------------------------------------

As you see, artist, I have a lot of questions and I don´t want you to get tired with more.

The application was received, open, poor answered and "close",
the worst thing is the silence from then on of the "amazing duo".
Their clock still ticking.

Thanks,
S&S

P.S. Congratulations again also for your improving as an artist. Now you can talk in a proper language.
 
S&S...

No insults from me...

One question....

Can you explain...whether divine intervention...or just you being the smartest person on this planet......How your English has improved so very, very quickly...

How you can understand slang and words spelt incorrectly...and yet you still have trouble posting in normal basic english...

So... just to test this theory...

If everyone made deliberate speling maistakes in ther posts....you would not be able to understand...Unless you spoke Englkish as a first languge

I find it very dew-bee-ouse that you somehow know all the current slang and terminology..phrasing..etc..and yet you cannot spell certain words that are the very basics of the English written word...

We all believe you are spanish....

Yeh..

Right...

Of course...

Another f*ckwit exposed...

As if its not obvious who you really are...

Think about it...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom