The "Carlos Swett affair"

[Guest]

Confused Smiley

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De-Bunk, I'm tempeted to agree with you on Swett's mental state. On our forum, he's decided that he won,

Hi Smiley:

You have potencial, please don´t join the clowns of "ABC".
Ask Randi for help.

Thanks, S&S

 

[De_Bunk]

Smiley01...

If you are Drew from Kansas...stick around....I threw you an invite to join...but it looks like you already have....

As for S&S...

No one on this board understands a word he posts...

Its like he is using real low class translating software...and then running it back through it...

90% of it is total nonsense....and the other 10% is members names...

Thats about it...

If he is genuine....then all people are doing is playing him for a f*ckwit.....

If he is a joker...then they are still playing him for a f*ckwit....

Either way....Hes a F*ckwit...

What is he talking about......Because no one here knows..

Does he work for a Circus...he keeps talking about clowns....

De_Bunk

 

[EvilBiker]

Sorry to flay a dead quadriped, just a little thing I picked up.

(ad hom snip)

No., it was a bird ;said Harter(JREF) in his answer.
You are missing one thing (because you can`t read): "it can be see in trough the smoke of the tower with some difficulties, but it is there"(Harter`s words).

(ad hom snip)

Thanks,
S&S

Andrew Harter's words? No, not according to the following:

(ad hom snip)

You made a mistake , lyke Harter and Randi; the difference is that now you are recognizing your error; the "amazing duo" are still in silence.

I remind you all members and guess of this thread Mr. Harter¨s answer to my notarized application to the challenge:

From: "JREF"
>To: "Carlos Swett"
>Subject: RE: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (9 DAYS)
>Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:00:44 -0400
>
>We have received your application and video tape. I've seen this tape before and pointed out what was taking place to others.

>You have made two assumptions, one following the other. Both are incorrect.

>Your first assumption is that the object comes from behind the second tower.

>This is not the case. I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame. The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there. A bird could certainly be the culprit.
>You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place.
>
>Andrew Harter
>Researcher
>James Randi Educational Foundation

(ad hom snips)

So, in the "Andrew Harter's words" quote we have:

"it can be see in trough the smoke of the tower with some difficulties, but it is there"

..and in the email from Andrew we have:

"The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there"

Trough/through or against? Well, seems it was originally against. Big difference from through - wishful thinking on Carlos' side, perhaps?

 

[Doubt]

Re: Confused Doubt

Hi Doubt;

You are al little confuse, this thread is about a real notarized application to the challenge I made and the poor answer JREF(Andrew Harter and James Randi) gave me . Is also about the silence of the "amazing duo".

But , if you are asking for help and worried if your mother talks to the plants, I can tell you that even Prince Charles of England does
that, so is not a big deal.

Thanks,
S&S

Swett,

Your reply here shows your inability to reason clearly.

My post was specific about the nature of what you are doing here. I am also insulted that you took it upon yourself to make any statement about my family without knowing anything about them. How would you like it if I started making statements about your mother?

Your comment about my mother contained several assumptions:

1.) You assumed that my mother is alive.
2.) You assumed that my mother has plants.
3.) You assumed that my mother talks to plants.

You do not know if any of those things are true. (Also, I will not tell if they are or not, since it is none of your business.) You have assumed that they are true because it was convenient for your point of view. This is the same thing you do with your "proof" of the paranormal.

I can only conclude the following from the total of your posts:

1.) You care nothing about reason, logic or proof.
2.) You are a troll.
3.) You probably know nothing about the mind or the brain but have strong feelings about them.
4.) You would like to believe that the phrase "You have no claim" and "Your claim is not valid" are different, but you can not offer any reason for why that would be so.

Feelings are a poor substitute for clear headed thinking and facts.

(Edited to clear up a bad sentance.)

 

[IggyK]

iS IT ANY WONDER?

With wit like this:
Sorry wyrd : you auto proclamed a brainless clown of a high deggree, those are your words and swow to the people of this JREF forum your misery and hipocresy . I don't care if people of your kind boot me from the msn skeptics forum, is a great favor, you finally appears as you really are: nothing, a no no, anonimous clown.
Is it any wonder Carlos is going bye bye? Too much stupidity and so little time. Time has run out on the S&S/IJRAL train. It's been real. It's been fun. It hasn't been real fun, but that's life. Feel free to use your insults instead of reason. Insults are all you really have.

 

[thatguywhojuggles]

Hello everyone! I was out of town for a couple of days. I was at the Bristol Circus Arts Convention. What an amazing place. I learned lots of new tricks. I can't believe Circomedia starts on Wednesday! A whole year of circus arts training. I confess to being a little nervous.

Carlos, is it exciting to you that I am in a circus arts school? I bet it is!! Well, Carlos, I didn't forget about you. I put together your list. I must say, I am impressed! Your trolling skills are improving! You got almost 3 new pages in the time I was gone!

Well, anyway, here is your list!


"It is you who have made a mistake. The mistake is, your application is not valid. You did not comply with all the rules of the application, and therefore, you cannot be considered an applicant. It doesn't matter what Randi and Harter told you in their letters; if you did not follow their rules, you cannot win." -rwald

"...your application was flawed from the beginning..." -rwald

"Unless you can prove that your application was correct, it doesn't matter what Harter said." -rwald

"Why are you still here....????" -De_Bunk

"This is, quite possibly, the dumbest thing I've heard all year." -Smiley01

"...you haven't given a straight answer to a single question that anyone has asked..." -Smiley01

"-How is it, that with several million people on the ground, watching the towers, that there wasn't a single eyewitness present? Particuarly those in the path of it's trajectory?" -Smiley01

"-Why can't you come up with any footage of the object from other angles?" -Smiley01

"You complete and utter wanker...." -De_Bunk

"I have never seen such bullsh*t spew from someones brain..." -De_Bunk

"Swett cares nothing for reason or explanation. He is a troll, plain and simple." -Doubt

"The evidence implies that you use neither your brain nor your mind." -rwald

"Either way....Hes a F*ckwit..." -De_Bunk

"Your reply here shows your inability to reason clearly." -Doubt

"You care nothing about reason, logic or proof." -Doubt

"You are a troll." -Doubt

 

[Guest]

NEW MEMBERS OF "ABC"

Carlos, is it exciting to you that I am in a circus arts school? I bet it is!! Well, Carlos, I didn't forget about you. I put together your list.

Well, anyway, here is your list!


-rwald

-rwald

-De_Bunk

-Smiley01

-Smiley01

-Smiley01

-Smiley01

-De_Bunk

-De_Bunk

-Doubt

-rwald

-De_Bunk

-Doubt

-Doubt

-Doubt

Hi thathellokittyguy:

Congratulations for don´t forget me.

I noticed you have new members in your "ABC" like Smiley and Doubt.
If you can , PLEASE get out Smiley from your list of clowns, he or she is a person with high potencial (a little confuse only).

If you have no more reasonable replies , please ask Randi to come in your defense, I guess he is a little worry because you all said that he gave me a poor answer to my application to the challenge.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Guest]

LOW I. Q.

90% of it is total nonsense....and the other 10% is members names...

Thats about it...

De_Bunk

Hi De Bunk;

According to you curriculum the only thing you understood from me is this:

De_Bunk, the only thing your father won in his life was your mother. You are the result of that. Sorry for your mother, she lost twice." ( S&S...9/ 15 /02 )

If you want to understand the rest of my quotes , please ask Mr. Randi or Mr. Harter for help, perhaps, they will explain you the reason of their poor answer to my application to the challenge.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Guest]

EXCUSES FOR MY POOR ANSWER

Swett,

Your comment about my mother contained several assumptions:

1.) You assumed that my mother is alive.
2.) You assumed that my mother has plants.
3.) You assumed that my mother talks to plants.

You do not know if any of those things are true. (Also, I will not tell if they are or not, since it is none of your business.) You have assumed that they are true because it was convenient for your point of view. This is the same thing you do with your "proof" of the paranormal.

I can only conclude the following from the total of your posts:

1.) You care nothing about reason, logic or proof.
2.) You are a troll.
3.) You probably know nothing about the mind or the brain but have strong feelings about them.
4.) You would like to believe that the phrase "You have no claim" and "Your claim is not valid" are different, but you can not offer any reason for why that would be so.

Feelings are a poor substitute for clear headed thinking and facts.

(Edited to clear up a bad sentance.)

Hi Doubt:

You are making merits as a thinker.

Congratulations, you are right. I gave you a poor answer ( lyke Harter and Randi gave to me)

The difference is that I have not obligation to pay you a million dollars in papers.What I did was an official application to the challenge of the JREF and received a poor answer from them.

I give you my public excuses again for my poor answer, I hope Mr. Randi and Mr. Harter have the honesty to do the same.

Thanks.
S&S

 

[Guest]

SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH

"The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there"

Trough/through or against? Well, seems it was originally against. Big difference from through - wishful thinking on Carlos' side, perhaps?

Hi EvilBiker;

It seems that you are an english teacher, I appreciate your correction, but perhaps you don´t know that english is not my language, I made efforts to write you all and try to remember what I learned of your language from school ( I am 48 now ), I don´t use dictionaries or virtual translators. I try to use my mind.

Well, you posted what Harter said in his poor answer, now I am remembering you what I said in my notharized application to the challenge;

".......It is possible, though with difficulty, to “see the image of the paranormal activity” moving inside the smoke cloud in the opposite direction of the shifting smoke. We recommend that the shot is watched in a frame by frame slow motion mode.

We made the first denunciations of the event (along with my brother Guillermo Swett Salas) via e-mail to the main TV chains and world organizations, and personally to the local TV channels, within the first week after the September 11, 2001 tragedy. The only news media that “dared” to broadcast the note, under its own prism, was “TELESISTEMA” of Guayaquil, Ecuador, on its news space “LA NOTICIA” on September 18, 2001 10:00 PM local time. I am sending to you additional information and the images in question on a VHS cassette tape, so that you can compare them with those broadcast in the USA by the different TV chains.

It is not a bird or an insect crossing the space between the cameraman and the towers, because the image of the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by it......"
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As you see the key of the question is:" the image of the paranormal activity is not seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by it".

If you have any doubt , please see the "internet video" posted by Patricio Elicer or ask Mr. Harter to tell you the link of "the internet video" where he studied it "frame by frame", I agreed with you that is a poor method to do it , but.........

Thanks,
S&S

P.S.
I will appreaciate all your futures comments about my bad english.I am improving a little now. This forum is a good exercise for me.

 

[Guest]

You have potencial, please don´t join the clowns of "ABC".
Ask Randi for help.

If you can , PLEASE get out Smiley from your list of clowns, he or she is a person with high potencial (a little confuse only).

I suppose I should be flattered, yet somehow, being part of the "Ignorant clowns" as you have taken to calling everyone here sounds better than the alternative.

And yet, I would be even more flattered if you-a.) Answered my questions with a rational explanation, or b.) Left this board. Either way.

With wit like this:
Sorry wyrd : you auto proclamed a brainless clown of a high deggree, those are your words and swow to the people of this JREF forum your misery and hipocresy . I don't care if people of your kind boot me from the msn skeptics forum, is a great favor, you finally appears as you really are: nothing, a no no, anonimous clown.
Is it any wonder Carlos is going bye bye? Too much stupidity and so little time. Time has run out on the S&S/IJRAL train. It's been real. It's been fun. It hasn't been real fun, but that's life. Feel free to use your insults instead of reason. Insults are all you really have.

I don't know about Wyrd, but getting rid of folk like you gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. It means I won. Although, I was kind of hoping you'd stick around just long enough to give me another laugh by trying to defend this post. How has Wyrd been a hypocrite? How does him booting an individual like yourself make him "nothing, no no, anonimous clown"? And I'm not even going to try to comprehend that "S&S/IJRAL train" remark. As much fun as it's been listening to your inane rants, I for one am glad to see you off. And as far as insults go...you've called members of this forum "clowns" at least half a dozen times. Now granted, I've been called worse by true-believers, but somehow, I thought you might rise above that. Just goes to show that I'm a terrible judge of character.

 

[rwald]

Roster for the ABC!

Hi, everyone. I was talking with Swett, and I decided that we needed a complete club roster. So, here it is:

President: De_Bunk
Vice-President: Sauron
Recording Secretary: thatguywhojuggles
Corresponding Secretary: rwald

Other members:
Smiley01
Doubt
Shaun from Scotland
pyrrho2000
Testudo
Wyrd1

Remember, we're still looking for new members, so if you're interested in joining, just post to this thread. For that matter, we still have some offices which need filling, so if you think you can help out, feel free to speak up.

rwald
Corresponding Secretary of the Association of Brilliant Chaps (ABC)

 

[Shaun from Scotland]

Do I get a little lapel badge with "S&S is a dumbass" on it?

 

[rwald]

Hmm. I hadn't thought about the issue of lapel badges. The board can discuss this, but if you guys could give us suggestions for saying that we could put on the lapel badges, that would be great. For that matter, if you have any other ideas for ABC fund-raising merchandise, we could try to implement them. We're open to ideas!

rwald
Corresponding Secretary of the Association of Brilliant Chaps (ABC)

(Edited to fix minor grammar error. I'm supposed to be the Corresponding Secretary; my grammar should be perfect.)

 

[Guest]

I suppose I should be flattered, yet somehow, being part of the "Ignorant clowns" as you have taken to calling everyone here sounds better than the alternative.

Hi Smiley :

Well is your choise, even Rwald posted the official list with your name on it (lyke "other" member of "Assiocaiation of Brainless Clowns).

You are lying again when you said "calling everyone here ignorants clowns", no , no , I do respect the rest of the members, they had their own point of view and they have received an answer from me and I imagine they have been satisfy,

If you check your "ABC" list they are very few and really did stupids and insulting replies to me.

That´s the reason I am asking you to leave them and ask for Randí´s help, to get him out of his silence and don´t give you only sighs.
Remember this? :
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Hey Swett, do you know that whenever I mention your name in an e-mail to [email protected], Randi, Harter and LaTona all sigh? I find that funny.

Skeptics Forum
13/08/2002 17:58
Smiley01
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Only sighs? Give me a break¡¡¡¡¡

Thanks,
S&S

 

[rwald]

Carlos, the groups is called the Association of Brilliant Chaps. I let your "creative" version of our name pass the first few times, but I'm getting tired of your attempts to defame us. The only "brainless clown" here is you.

rwald
Corresponding Secretary of the Association of Brilliant Chaps (ABC)

P.S. Carlos, could you list those people who aren't members of our organization? We need to know who to direct our membership drive towards.

(Edited to add post-script.)

 

[Guest]

PROUD BAD CLOWN

Carlos, the groups is called the Association of Brilliant Chaps. I let your "creative" version of our name pass the first few times, but I'm getting tired of your attempts to defame us. The only "brainless clown" here is you.

(Edited to add post-script.)

Bad clown Rwald :

You made a terible mistake and you are paying for it.

Your "gallows humor" of "having fun" of the tragedy of 9/11/01 by posting a tricked video and your proud of it (besides is still here) made you (I am talking in first person) a detestable and non original stupid person., a LOW POINT for this Educational Foundation.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[rwald]

Carlos, I haven't said anything about that in the past 40 messages, at least. Nor has anyone other than yourself said anything about it. Apparently, they all understood that I meant no offense to anyone. Please, just get over the video. It doesn't matter.

And could you post that list of people not yet members of the ABC? I would like to know who to recruit next.

rwald
Corresponding Secretary of the Association of Brilliant Chaps (ABC)

 

[rachaella]

Re: Roster for the ABC!

Hi, everyone. I was talking with Swett, and I decided that we needed a complete club roster. So, here it is:

President: De_Bunk
Vice-President: Sauron
Recording Secretary: thatguywhojuggles
Corresponding Secretary: rwald

Other members:
Smiley01
Doubt
Shaun from Scotland
pyrrho2000
Testudo
Wyrd1

Remember, we're still looking for new members, so if you're interested in joining, just post to this thread. For that matter, we still have some offices which need filling, so if you think you can help out, feel free to speak up.

rwald
Corresponding Secretary of the Association of Brilliant Chaps (ABC)

Can I join?? Even though I'm not a chap?

 

[rwald]

But of course. I mean "Chaps" in the most general sense possible.

rwald
Corresponding Secretary of the Association of Brilliant Chaps (ABC)