NoahFence
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NoahFence
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No, he'll prove it and you'll either ignore it or move the goalposts.
Tommy Jeppesen
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What do you mean by poor? I can't answer your question, because with you I am not certain how you use your words.
I don't know if conservatives see that their pleas to human nature really just expose their own dark feelings.
If I weren't going to starve to death I'd never work a day in my life. Really? Most people I know could survive for ten plus years off their savings if they were willing to move into something akin to government housing. The difference between survival and thriving is typically enough to get most people to work. And do we really want the rest littering our roadways with their corpses?
It reminds me of the Christian who asks if you don't believe in God, what's to keep you form murdering your neighbor? Uhm, lots? Like, I don't want to murder my neighbor, for starters. Why, is your feeble belief in a higher being the only thing keeping you from murdering your neighbor? Really?
rustypouch
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Yes, not wanting people to be homeless and starving is a terrible thing...
Its a very simple question. Does Denmark have people who would be considered poor or in poverty?
And yet, that's exactly what you have. You'd think your side would realize we will always have poor people, because they've chosen that lifestyle. Let them have a safety net just not a safety hammock, lest they get comfortable laying there.
You sure don't disappoint.
You post that while putting up your usual laughing dog? Good job kiddo?
rustypouch
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It's not socialist for the state to provide an education.
So you're a socialist, fine. I want people to be free, I want to be free. Which means people have to take responsibility for themselves, oh the horror.
Freedom is what our country was founded on, you can do what you like in your country.
Exactly, a fundamental difference. You do not care about other people.
But for some reason, the US is also lacking in the 'freedom' area.
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Your link doesn't even go into detail. Here is your answer though.
http://www.youngcons.com/liberals-l...e-than-blue-states-heres-proof-thats-baloney/
Actually you don't. You rely on government for things you ought to be doing.
TY for proving my point. High taxes lessens economic freedom.
Beelzebuddy
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Don't ask a question you don't want answered.
I know some do. It's just good to let them say it out loud so we can shame them.
portlandatheist
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As to the OP:
I think it is very understandable that a lot of people on the right bring up Venezuela with a "See, I told you so!" attitude. Various liberals had all kinds of praise for Hugo Chavez's economic "socialist" policies, including Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Chomsky.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...-socialist-government-proven-wrong-again.html .
It was a failed experiment, to say the least. It made the poor poorer and income inequality is even worse than the US as measured by GINI index.
When country has a thriving capitalistic private sector that is wisely regulated (regulated, not centrally planned) and that economy is taxed and provides education, roads, infrastructure, welfare, health care and so on, I don't think it should be called "socialist" but these days, it has come to mean that. When I think of socialism, I think of having only a public sector economy and the prohibition of private ownership of land among other things.
Venezuela did a lot of really stupid populist "feel good" policies that make no economic sense: They were protectionists, especially in regards to the USA, more out of ideological hatred than economic philosophy. The did price fixing of commodities, even things like toilet paper, so it would be affordable to the poor. Sounds good and intent was good but wasn't good. Populists reject expertise of any kind and always follow their gut like Trump. Venezuela is a cautionary tale of things we should not do.
Their madness will have effects for decades. Children are malnourished, undereducated, and will grow up to have more diseases, a lower IQ, and so on.
I think it is very understandable that a lot of people on the right bring up Venezuela with a "See, I told you so!" attitude. Various liberals had all kinds of praise for Hugo Chavez's economic "socialist" policies, including Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Chomsky.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...-socialist-government-proven-wrong-again.html .
It was a failed experiment, to say the least. It made the poor poorer and income inequality is even worse than the US as measured by GINI index.
When country has a thriving capitalistic private sector that is wisely regulated (regulated, not centrally planned) and that economy is taxed and provides education, roads, infrastructure, welfare, health care and so on, I don't think it should be called "socialist" but these days, it has come to mean that. When I think of socialism, I think of having only a public sector economy and the prohibition of private ownership of land among other things.
Venezuela did a lot of really stupid populist "feel good" policies that make no economic sense: They were protectionists, especially in regards to the USA, more out of ideological hatred than economic philosophy. The did price fixing of commodities, even things like toilet paper, so it would be affordable to the poor. Sounds good and intent was good but wasn't good. Populists reject expertise of any kind and always follow their gut like Trump. Venezuela is a cautionary tale of things we should not do.
Their madness will have effects for decades. Children are malnourished, undereducated, and will grow up to have more diseases, a lower IQ, and so on.
The welfare trap is an interesting phenomenon that appears to exist only in the US. Every other first world democracy has better social safety nets and more economic mobility. It's almost like there's no good evidence for the "welfare queen" attitude besides contempt for the poor.
The USA and the Scandinavian countries are pretty much equal in that ranking, so how exactly does that prove your point?
Polaris
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You sure don't disappoint.
What, you don't believe that? Hell, I absolutely love having been out of work more than a year (laid off when Chase bank sent my dept. to the Philippines), having my unemployment dry up (unemployed too long), losing my health care because I couldn't pay for insurance, now having to drive Uber and Lyft when my chronic pain - see lack of health care - allows me to drive, choosing which bill gets to go unpaid this month, and continuously being turned down for "real" jobs because I have a long unemployment gap, I'm overqualified or physically unable to do the job.
Yeah that's all my choice!
Paleezz!
I've never been out of work since I was twelve!
Some us just get it done, at least you have the safety net, you're welcome!
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The USA and the Scandinavian countries are pretty much equal in that ranking, so how exactly does that prove your point?
Both are high taxed and have less economic freedom?
Polaris
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And I'd never been out of work since I was 16 until then. Apparently you missed that I was on unemployment until it ran out. I have no safety net. You're welcome for jack ****.