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The biggest straw man

BobTheCoward said:
Bob and hlaford is a "we". There is a "we" of 2 people.
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But that doesn't make this we a we for everybody else, including those who accept the "better" which you opposed. You don't speak for an universal we. E.g. in a post of Logger's there is a reference to a survey, where 9/10 of Danes accept in some sense high taxes. You then can't magically declare that we as Danes don't accept high taxes.
In the same sense with "better", that you don't accept a certain version of better won't stop other humans for accepting that version of "better".
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
But that doesn't make this we a we for everybody else, including those who accept the "better" which you opposed. You don't speak for an universal we. E.g. in a post of Logger's there is a reference to a survey, where 9/10 of Danes accept in some sense high taxes. You then can't magically declare that we as Danes don't accept high taxes.
In the same sense with "better", that you don't accept a certain version of better won't stop other humans for accepting that version of "better".
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Which is why I' didn't use "we" universally​. Just two people.
 
logger said:
So what is the difference? Need more specifics.
Venezuela has well regulated capitalism. Hell they even have oil, something those others don't have.
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Venezuela has poor governance, and effectively a one party state. The rule of law doesn't apply to the regime, so it doesn't have well-regulated capitalism.

It has a failed populist/socialist experiment. The closest model for Venezuela is Zimbabwe.

Peru, on the other hand managed to cut poverty in half in a decade.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04m7nqs
 
twinstead said:
So why all the rants about "Evil Socialism" when it can work in some countries? Why not just argue that it won't work in the US? Why scare people?
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Because it saps human dignity.

Scare people? Ahh yes the leftists snowflakes need to run to their safe space, we trolls are going to devour them. Lol ******* hilarious!
 
Darat said:
Another way of looking at is, countries such as the USA have low tax rates.... Whether you say tax rates are high or low often gives away someone's beliefs regarding taxation. Is the tax rate in Denmark high? Or is it that they have the tax rate about right and some countries have a low*er* tax rate than what they *should* have?
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Taking half a persons income isn't too high?
 
logger said:
Taking half a persons income isn't too high?
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Look at my signature

Less of my taxes go on healthcare than your taxes. I also don't need private health insurance - except for holidays abroad.
 
logger said:
So what is the difference? Need more specifics.
Venezuela has well regulated capitalism. Hell they even have oil, something those others don't have.
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Here are the key differences:
Norway does have oil.
Venezuela doesn't have well regulated capitalism.
Reality bears no resemblance to your contentions.
 
fishbob said:
Here are the key differences:
Norway does have oil.
Venezuela doesn't have well regulated capitalism.
Reality bears no resemblance to your contentions.
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Norway doesn't have anything close to what Venezuela has and yes they have what socialists would call well regulated capitalism. Lately of course it's a mess, seems folks don't want to have your precious socialism. :rolleyes:

Too bad, it could be so wonderful. :rolleyes:
 
jimbob said:
Look at my signature

Less of my taxes go on healthcare than your taxes. I also don't need private health insurance - except for holidays abroad outside of Europe.
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FTFY. But Theresa May is working hard to make your wording come true.
 
twinstead said:
So why all the rants about "Evil Socialism" when it can work in some countries? Why not just argue that it won't work in the US? Why scare people?
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That was effectively what happened in the discussion here around US healthcare reform. When Europeans and Canadians and Australians and others argued that the US could simply also introduce some UHC system, the American opponents of that idea argued that that wouldn't work. Those arguments basically amounted to that the US couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery.
 
logger said:
Because it saps human dignity.
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How does supporting your country and your society "sap human dignity"?

Scare people? Ahh yes the leftists snowflakes need to run to their safe space, we trolls are going to devour them. Lol ******* hilarious!
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Actually what is truly funny is that it's not the left that get scared by this. It's the Right. When the whole Socialism = Venezuela is brought up, Leftist roll their eyes and groan because they know the truth. Rightists are the ones that flee in horror and hide under the pillows muttering about Reds under the bed and communism.
 
ddt said:
That was effectively what happened in the discussion here around US healthcare reform. When Europeans and Canadians and Australians and others argued that the US could simply also introduce some UHC system, the American opponents of that idea argued that that wouldn't work. Those arguments basically amounted to that the US couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery.
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The American Rightwing have very low opinions of their fellow countrymen and women. They seem to believe that unless people are forced to work on the threat of starvation and no healthcare, then they'll just mooch off the system and drain all the hardworking right wingers. The fact that the biggest drains on Federal funding come from Rightwing states while most of the biggest cash cows are Leftwing seems to totally escape them.
 
twinstead said:
So why all the rants about "Evil Socialism" when it can work in some countries? Why not just argue that it won't work in the US? Why scare people?
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Because Nazional Socialist Deutsche Arbeiter Partei, and Soviet Socialism.

Next question?
 
John Jones said:
Because Nazional Socialist Deutsche Arbeiter Partei, and Soviet Socialism.

Next question?
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Except that neither were good examples of Socialism, but rather Authoritarianism, and one was closer to Fascism than Socialism anyways, despite the name.
 
I do love how easily people are confused.

China is a republic, right? It's the People's Republic. Free elections and whatnot.

Is it just possible that "National Socialism" means something different than "socialism"?
 
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