Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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Kestrel said:
San Francisco fencing operation ignored by police

Local citizen takes video of open air market exchanging stolen goods. Police apparently do nothing.
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The cops really figured out a sweet deal. Sit on their asses and do nothing, then blame progressive prosecutors for lack of enforcement.

I should try this excuse at my job. Sorry, I can't do anything today, my boss won't let me.
 
gnome said:
I think I actually kind of understand why it's that way. Even a well run, properly reformed police department needs the discretion to prioritize. Obviously that discretion can be abused. Are there clear rules that can distinguish that, so that a courtroom could help? Or in that situation do the voters need to replace the leadership?
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It wouldn't be that hard to change. Cops should be subject to the same sort of malpractice standard as is any profession. Including ignoring clear imminent threats to civilians. The reaction to those possible liabilities would force massive change in how police training works.
 
There is no "magic bullet" but ending qualified immunity would be the closest thing to one, the one thing that would in a reasonable timeframe most probably effect real world actual positive change.
 
JoeMorgue said:
There is no "magic bullet" but ending qualified immunity would be the closest thing to one, the one thing that would in a reasonable timeframe most probably effect real world actual positive change.
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Yup.
 
The funny thing is you rarely see even the "boot-lickers" say they approve of this policy, but somehow despite overwhelming unpopularity with voters, especially if the question is asked descriptively instead of by name, it persists. Along with asset forfeiture and private prisons. I'm sensing a theme here.
 
gnome said:
The funny thing is you rarely see even the "boot-lickers" say they approve of this policy, but somehow despite overwhelming unpopularity with voters, especially if the question is asked descriptively instead of by name, it persists. Along with asset forfeiture and private prisons. I'm sensing a theme here.
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I wouldn't call it a "theme." It's that most people don't really care about injustice unless it impacts them or someone close to them. It's easier just to shrug and assume the affected people are getting what they deserve. It takes extremely compelling evidence of innocence/police misconduct to get most people's attention and even then they'll most likely write it off as something rare.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Illinois law bans schools from fining students. But an investigation has found police do it for them, issuing costly tickets that burden families.

Chicago Tribune: https://www.chicagotribune.com/inve...dhmczbl7xadcva-htmlstory.html?utm_source=digg
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I cannot get my head around that - police charges and fines for breaking school rules? Surely that can't be legal?

ETA: Can I make a psychic prediction about what next week's article will conclude? "Coming next week: Racial disparities in ticketing"
 
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Darat said:
That article reads like a description of a police state. I'm being serious not being sarcastic - how and why do people put up with that?
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America has this deep strain of fear of the "delinquent" this idea that minor misbehavior in children can't be tolerated and for some reason misbehavior in schools is a huge trigger for them.

You'd think skipping school was the fourth point on the setting fires, wetting the bed, and torturing animals trifecta ("Fourth point on a Trifecta?" "I know what I said") to hear some people talk.
 
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Kestrel said:
Loveland Police Department has Pattern of Wrongful DUI arrests

Blowing 0.00 on the breathalyzer doesn’t get you out of a DUI charge in Loveland.
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This one is really interesting because the article's summary doesn't really capture the true scope of the dickery that Harris Elias had to endure. When pulled over, Elias blew complete zeros in multiple breathalyzer tests both at the scene and at the police station, at which point police told him that negative breathalyzer tests established reasonable suspicion that "something is going on" and gave them cause to further detain him, transport him to the hospital, and compel him to submit a blood test (which also eventually came back negative too).

Fun body-cam video of the incident:

 
Checkmite said:
This one is really interesting because the article's summary doesn't really capture the true scope of the dickery that Harris Elias had to endure. When pulled over, Elias blew complete zeros in multiple breathalyzer tests both at the scene and at the police station, at which point police told him that negative breathalyzer tests established reasonable suspicion that "something is going on" and gave them cause to further detain him, transport him to the hospital, and compel him to submit a blood test (which also eventually came back negative too).

Fun body-cam video of the incident:

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The arresting officer claimed the the suspects vehicle reeked of alcohol. That appears to be part of the Loveland PD script. In an earlier Loveland false DUI incident the officer claimed that he smelled alcohol as the suspects vehicle drove past with the windows rolled up.
 
Kestrel said:
The arresting officer claimed the the suspects vehicle reeked of alcohol. That appears to be part of the Loveland PD script. In an earlier Loveland false DUI incident the officer claimed that he smelled alcohol as the suspects vehicle drove past with the windows rolled up.
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I really have to admire Elias' presence of mind while that was going on. In the article, he says that when the officer mentioned an "overwhelming smell of alcohol", he instantly knew there was a railroading in progress and he stopped answering any and all further questions. I wonder if I'd have that kind of presence of mind in the same situation. If an officer said that to me and I knew there wasn't a smell of alcohol at all let alone an overwhelming one, my first instinct would be to object.
 
Checkmite said:
I really have to admire Elias' presence of mind while that was going on. In the article, he says that when the officer mentioned an "overwhelming smell of alcohol", he instantly knew there was a railroading in progress and he stopped answering any and all further questions. I wonder if I'd have that kind of presence of mind in the same situation. If an officer said that to me and I knew there wasn't a smell of alcohol at all let alone an overwhelming one, my first instinct would be to object.
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Indeed. Very good instincts. Often people have the impulse to explain themselves, especially if they know they are innocent.

When cops start lying about subjective, unreviewable "evidence" or start using their suite of pseudoscientific tools (drug dogs, field sobriety tests, "furtive movements", etc), it's time to shut up, assume you're going to jail, and get a lawyer.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Indeed. Very good instincts. Often people have the impulse to explain themselves, especially if they know they are innocent.

When cops start lying about subjective, unreviewable "evidence" or start using their suite of pseudoscientific tools (drug dogs, field sobriety tests, "furtive movements", etc), it's time to shut up, assume you're going to jail, and get a lawyer.
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When cops approach you for any reason whatsoever, it's time to shut up. If their lips are moving, they are out to pin something on you.

No good will ever come from responding to anything they say other than with, "no comment".

For the 'mericans amongst us this is vital viewing. If you've seen it watch it again. If not, you need to. You'll get the advice above and the reasons why, straight from the horses mouth, at the 26.40 mark onwards.

 
"A former Philadelphia police officer who shot dead a 12-year-old boy as he lay face down on the sidewalk has been charged with murder."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...ng-12-year-old-boy/ar-AAWQLAx?ocid=uxbndlbing

"The district attorney said Thomas Siderio had either tripped or obeyed a command to get down and was lying face down on the sidewalk when he was shot.

The youth had dropped his gun 40 feet (12m) behind him and was unarmed when Mr Mendoza fired the final two shots, Mr Krasner said."
 
Florida cops opened fire on 4 suspected shoplifters, killing one, in the parking lot of a Target. Allegedly they stole a pizza and some pokemon cards.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ne-target-shooting-kissimmee-osceola-shooter-victims-20220428-mfgn72mm7jhltitzca3eggrfuy-story.html

Details are largely unknown because cops routinely abuse a law meant to protect the identities of crime victims

The agency said in an unsigned news release Thursday that the names of the deputies who fired their weapons will not be released under Marsy’s Law. The amendment to Florida’s constitution, approved by voters in 2018, is meant to protect victims of crime but has been used to shield the identities of police officers after deadly incidents.
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