Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[bluesjnr]

I heard there was 4 arrests for handling stolen property at his kid's last birthday party - playing pass the parcel.

Let's not get into what happened to the poor wee bastard who was up first for the piñata.

 

[shemp]

Let's not get into what happened to the poor wee bastard who was up first for the piñata.

He's not getting out until 2036!

 

[shemp]

And thank goodness none of these girls had a miscarriage while being searched, they'd be up on murder charges!

 

[erlando]

Horrible cop that tackled a tiny demented elderly woman who may or may not have shoplifted some piddly little thing and later joked about hearing her shoulder pop out of the joint just got 5 years in jail.

Ex-cop who pushed 73-year-old with dementia to ground, laughed after arrest gets 5 years in prison

Should have been longer IMO. **** that guy. Did any of his accomplices get any time?

 

[pgwenthold]

Pull over a bus with a college lacrosse team returning from a tourney, and proceed to go through all of their belongings. Only coincidental that it's an HBCU and they were travelling through Georgia.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dsu-state-leaders-incensed-team-090130195.html

“The police officer said that on this stretch of highway there are a lot of buses that are smuggling people and narcotics and they have to be diligent.'"

And they cleverly disguise themselves as a college lacrosse team.

There is a lot to this story. The official story is that the search was predicated on the indications of a drug dog. However, the drug dog didn't show up for quite a while, and the bus was detained until he/she got there. Because...suspicions.

The sheriff says that the officers never searched any personal items. Yet, one of the officers unwrapped a gift that one of the players had received, and wasn't going to open until she returned home. But that's not a personal item? There is body cam footage of the police searching suitcases.

But hey, the sheriff insists they didn't search any personal items, so who are you to believe?

 

[jimbob]

Anecdote from Beau of the Fifth Column



"time, distance, and cover"

Examples given

 

[ZirconBlue]

And they cleverly disguise themselves as a college lacrosse team.

There is a lot to this story. The official story is that the search was predicated on the indications of a drug dog. However, the drug dog didn't show up for quite a while, and the bus was detained until he/she got there. Because...suspicions.

The sheriff says that the officers never searched any personal items. Yet, one of the officers unwrapped a gift that one of the players had received, and wasn't going to open until she returned home. But that's not a personal item? There is body cam footage of the police searching suitcases.

But hey, the sheriff insists they didn't search any personal items, so who are you to believe?

Those were impersonal gifts and suitcases.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

And they cleverly disguise themselves as a college lacrosse team.

There is a lot to this story. The official story is that the search was predicated on the indications of a drug dog. However, the drug dog didn't show up for quite a while, and the bus was detained until he/she got there. Because...suspicions.

The sheriff says that the officers never searched any personal items. Yet, one of the officers unwrapped a gift that one of the players had received, and wasn't going to open until she returned home. But that's not a personal item? There is body cam footage of the police searching suitcases.

But hey, the sheriff insists they didn't search any personal items, so who are you to believe?

If I were a parent, I would be kinda pissed that any chaperones or whatever didn't make more of a stink. Adults should know better and tell cops to stuff it when it comes to their BS demands to do pointless searches.

That said, the presence of a unimpeachable probable cause fabrication machine, aka a drug dog, likely would have meant the same outcome even if they asserted their rights.

 

[Suddenly]

If I were a parent, I would be kinda pissed that any chaperones or whatever didn't make more of a stink. Adults should know better and tell cops to stuff it when it comes to their BS demands to do pointless searches.

That said, the presence of a unimpeachable probable cause fabrication machine, aka a drug dog, likely would have meant the same outcome even if they asserted their rights.

There is a criminal defense attorney here who made a motion to be able to examine the mechanism used by the police to determine probable cause, and it got to the point where he was making a plausible argument for the defense to be allowed to dissect drug dogs.

Which is gross, but really doing that sort of thing would be the end of that evidence being used in court anyway.

 

[shemp]

Video Shows Police Fatally Shoot Grandmother With Dementia In New Mexico Home

Police in New Mexico have released disturbing body camera footage showing an officer fatally shooting a 75-year-old woman with dementia in her home last month.

The woman, Amelia Baca, had become agitated at family members in the Las Cruces home when her daughter called the police for help on April 16. According to family members, Baca was having a mental health crisis.

In body camera video released Tuesday by the city of Las Cruces in response to a public records request, an officer can be seen pointing a gun at Baca through the doorway of the home moments after arriving on the scene.

Baca, who family members said did not speak English, is holding two kitchen knives and shouting in Spanish.

The officer repeatedly shouts at her in English to “drop the knife,” “drop the ******* knife,” “do it now.” After 38 seconds, he tells her to “put the ******* knife down” and fires two shots at her.

She died at the scene.

If somebody is having a mental health crisis, DO NOT CALL POLICE! Especially if the person is black, Hispanic or other minority. Call a mental health crisis hotline. If you can't locate one, call your physician or local hospital. DO NOT CALL POLICE UNLESS YOU WANT SOMEONE TO END UP DEAD!

 

[erlando]

Video Shows Police Fatally Shoot Grandmother With Dementia In New Mexico Home

If somebody is having a mental health crisis, DO NOT CALL POLICE! Especially if the person is black, Hispanic or other minority. Call a mental health crisis hotline. If you can't locate one, call your physician or local hospital. DO NOT CALL POLICE UNLESS YOU WANT SOMEONE TO END UP DEAD!

You can hear the exact moment when the women realize that the police is probably not going to help. When the cop raises his weapon one of the women says "No no no, esta enfermata, esta enfermata"; "she's sick".

The cop obviously has no knowledge of dementia. Shining a bright light in her face and yelling at her will do nothing but increase her confusion. She was executed for failing to comply. I'm quite sure that she didn't even understand what was happening or who that man was.

 

[Dr. Keith]

There is a criminal defense attorney here who made a motion to be able to examine the mechanism used by the police to determine probable cause, and it got to the point where he was making a plausible argument for the defense to be allowed to dissect drug dogs.

Which is gross, but really doing that sort of thing would be the end of that evidence being used in court anyway.

I’d at least want the dog tested in a series of double blinded studies before they can be used as grounds for further searching.

Here the cops will overlook the false negative by telling themselves that there probably were small amounts of drugs they just didn’t find them since they were looking for trafficking.

 

[shemp]

You can hear the exact moment when the women realize that the police is probably not going to help. When the cop raises his weapon one of the women says "No no no, esta enfermata, esta enfermata"; "she's sick".

The cop obviously has no knowledge of dementia. Shining a bright light in her face and yelling at her will do nothing but increase her confusion. She was executed for failing to comply. I'm quite sure that she didn't even understand what was happening or who that man was.

Republican: "She was a burden on society anyway! And probably an illegal immigrant! She was mercifully put out of her suffering! Her family should thank the police!"

 

[Babbylonian]

I’d at least want the dog tested in a series of double blinded studies before they can be used as grounds for further searching.

Here the cops will overlook the false negative by telling themselves that there probably were small amounts of drugs they just didn’t find them since they were looking for trafficking.

I honestly don't care about a drug-sniffing dog's accuracy as long as there's at least reasonable suspicion (as opposed to probable cause) before bringing in the dog. Neither the presence of a bus on the road nor the commission of a minor traffic offense rises to even that legal standard.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Republican: "She was a burden on society anyway! And probably an illegal immigrant! She was mercifully put out of her suffering! Her family should thank the police!"

"Charge them for the bullet! And let the police sue her family for emotional distress!"

 

[Armitage72]

"Quit reaching!"

Fictional, but a few weeks ago on NCIS: Los Angeles, Agent Roundtree (who's black) was stopped by police for no reason while driving. It was claimed that he "fit the description" of an armed robbery suspect, but it was later revealed that there had been no description at that point. He was asked for his license, registration, and insurance, and when he tried to produce them the officer shouted "Stop reaching" and drew his weapon. He identified himself as a federal agent, but he was on his way to an meeting for an undercover operation, so he didn't have his badge. He ended up handcuffed, pepper-sprayed, and face down on the sidewalk.
Get arrested for not following instructions or get arrested for "reaching".

 

[bruto]

Republican: "She was a burden on society anyway! And probably an illegal immigrant! She was mercifully put out of her suffering! Her family should thank the police!"

And of course, the usual "she's in Amurrica now, she shoulda learnt English!"

 

[autumn1971]

I honestly don't care about a drug-sniffing dog's accuracy as long as there's at least reasonable suspicion (as opposed to probable cause) before bringing in the dog. Neither the presence of a bus on the road nor the commission of a minor traffic offense rises to even that legal standard.

The Constitution forbids searches without probable cause and a warrant stating the specific items to be searched for.
Pretty sure the founding fathers knew that carriages existed.

Stop giving police in the modern USA powers well above the powers given to guardsmen in the 1300s

 

[Babbylonian]

The Constitution forbids searches without probable cause and a warrant stating the specific items to be searched for.
Pretty sure the founding fathers knew that carriages existed.

Stop giving police in the modern USA powers well above the powers given to guardsmen in the 1300s

Don't tell [or condescend to] me. Tell the Supreme Court which has held that a drug-sniffing dog can be used to provide probable cause for a search. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Harris?wprov=sfla1

Now, this isn't true in every circumstance and I doubt the particular situation in question would pass muster had drugs been found, but police can definitely have their trained dogs sniff around without probable cause and then conduct a search based on such sniffing without a warrant.

 

[autumn1971]

Don't tell [or condescend to] me. Tell the Supreme Court which has held that a drug-sniffing dog can be used to provide probable cause for a search. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Harris?wprov=sfla1

Now, this isn't true in every circumstance and I doubt the particular situation in question would pass muster had drugs been found, but police can definitely have their trained dogs sniff around without probable cause and then conduct a search based on such sniffing without a warrant.

Sorry, wasn’t trying to be condescending or snarky. I’m just always mad at how many constitutional rights Americans have demanded be taken away in just my short four decades