Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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gnome said:
It doesn't say, but I'm going to guess they worked it out to give the money back without admitting they did anything wrong, and without changing any rules about when police can do that. So that the next sucker has to fight the same fight.
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It's not so the next sucker has to fight. It's so the next 4/5 suckers won't even try to fight.
 
A cop slapped a handcuffed man dying of a drug overdose. Called him a “bitch.” Shoved a baton in his mouth. That cop got suspended 6 days. But the cop who revealed the cruelty was expelled from the cop union. Now faces 20 years prison for whistleblowing.

Members of the Joliet Illinois Police Union voted 35-1 to expel Javier Esqueda for exposing footage of police abuse. “In a letter informing him of the vote, union leaders described his conduct as “reprehensible.” Not the cops though who shoved a baton down a dying man’s throat.

https://usatoday.com/story/news/inv...today-behind-the-blue-wall-series/6396601001/
 
JoeMorgue said:
But unions are our friends and gave us the weekend and labor day...
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Do you still have the receipt for your unions? They might not be working properly. Our unions got us parental leave, 6 weeks of vacation, a liveable minimum wage, a 37 hour workweek, and the weekend.. ;):p
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
No charges for cop who killed a good Samaritan who stopped an active shooter:



https://www.denverpost.com/2021/11/08/olde-town-arvada-shooting-johnny-hurley/

The shooter ambushed a cop with a shotgun, killing him, before being shot himself by a bystander, who was later gunned down by responding police. Remember kids, if a madman starts killing cops, don't intervene.
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Tragic though it maybe, I am not sure that given the scanty information available the decision was wrong.

If there was a fault it is likely to be with policy and training, blaming the foot soldier, avoids putting the responsibility where it should lie with the commanders. There should be a charge more akin to corporate manslaughter, where the people in the dock are the bosses, not the worker. This is far more likely to result in a culture change.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
A cop slapped a handcuffed man dying of a drug overdose. Called him a “bitch.” Shoved a baton in his mouth. That cop got suspended 6 days. But the cop who revealed the cruelty was expelled from the cop union. Now faces 20 years prison for whistleblowing.

Members of the Joliet Illinois Police Union voted 35-1 to expel Javier Esqueda for exposing footage of police abuse. “In a letter informing him of the vote, union leaders described his conduct as “reprehensible.” Not the cops though who shoved a baton down a dying man’s throat.

https://usatoday.com/story/news/inv...today-behind-the-blue-wall-series/6396601001/
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Just cruel. Incompetent. Had they followed policy and taken an unconscious man who they suspected swallowed drugs to hospital rather than the police station he would probably have lived.
 
erlando said:
Do you still have the receipt for your unions? They might not be working properly. Our unions got us parental leave, 6 weeks of vacation, a liveable minimum wage, a 37 hour workweek, and the weekend.. ;):p
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Coincidentally, I've just gotten around to watching "The Nevers" (Victorian-era science fiction). At one point, a group of organized workers stop working because they feel they aren't being paid enough to handle the explosives they're working with. The owner of the company says "Banding together instead of standing alone? I expected more courage from Englishmen." Only cowards need a union to fight for them. :D
 
A judge on Friday convicted a white Kansas City police officer of involuntary manslaughter and armed criminal action in the fatal shooting of a Black man, in a case in which prosecutors said police planted evidence.

https://apnews.com/article/crime-po...-kansas-city-933d3aba9b37c83145fba5818d557c02

After the verdict, police escorted DeValkenaere and his family from the building. An officer said they wouldn’t be commenting
 
Prosecutor drops charges against officer in rare case of restorative justice mediation

CNN -Criminal charges against a St. Louis County police officer who shot a Black woman were dropped Monday after the victim requested a restorative justice mediation that focuses on repairing the harm caused by an offense.

The St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney's Office said Ashley Fountain Hall asked that assault charges be dropped against former Ladue, Missouri, police officer Julia Crews, 39. The charges stemmed from a dispute that took place on April 23, 2019, outside a Schnucks grocery store.

Crews mistakenly drew her firearm instead of using her Taser to restrain Hall and shot her in the torso, leading to critical injuries, the office said. Hall lost part of her spleen and suffers with post-traumatic stress disorder, prosecutors said.
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CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/us/missouri-police-restorative-justice/index.html
 
Babbylonian said:
Great. Definitely what restorative justice is supposed to be about. Nothing better than validating a cop's bald-faced lie.
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Did you read the article?

The prosecutor's office said Crews immediately realized she drew her gun when she intended to use her Taser, then administered aid and apologized "profusely." Crews, who was captured crying in her booking photo, immediately resigned, and her response to the shooting "all played a part in the push for mediation," the office said.

Hall, who has since recovered, received a $2 million settlement and pushed for a restorative justice program.The prosecutor's office said Hall and Crews voluntarily participated in a "successful" face-to-face meeting with a mediator, Seema Gajwani, the chief of the Restorative Justice Program for Karl Racine, Attorney General for the District of Columbia.
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When someone immediately recognizes and takes responsibility for their mistake, sometimes it makes sense to accept it at face value.

Also, $2M doesn't hurt.
 
TomB said:
Did you read the article?



When someone immediately recognizes and takes responsibility for their mistake, sometimes it makes sense to accept it at face value.

Also, $2M doesn't hurt.
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A person who takes responsibility and shows remorse for their actions is a rarity nowadays. The common reaction is to lie, stonewall and lawyer up.
 
TomB said:
Did you read the article?



When someone immediately recognizes and takes responsibility for their mistake, sometimes it makes sense to accept it at face value.

Also, $2M doesn't hurt.
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When someone immediately realizes they drew a gun instead of a taser, they don't pull the ******* trigger. I don't believe it was a mistake. I believe she lied.
 
Babbylonian said:
When someone immediately realizes they drew a gun instead of a taser, they don't pull the ******* trigger. I don't believe it was a mistake. I believe she lied.
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That depends on where you read the word "immediately" to mean relative to the sequence.

You apparently, read it to mean "immediately after drawing."
I read it to mean "immediately after pulling the trigger."

It doesn't happen a lot, but mistakenly drawing the wrong one has happened before. This article mentions that in training, motor memory for drawing the gun the gun is more developed than for drawing the taser:
For many experts, the biggest issue when it comes to weapon confusion is inadequate training on Tasers.

"On average a recruit will draw their firearm about 5,000 times in the police academy, but maybe at most draw their Taser 10 times," said Peters, president of the Nevada-based Institute for the Prevention of In-Custody Deaths.

As a result, in stressful situations a officer's "motor memory" can kick in "and you go for your gun," Peters said.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/taser-vs-gun-mix-up-raises-concerns-about-training-design-after-minnesota-2021-04-13/

Now, it's possible you are right and she is lying, but I see nothing in her behavior described in the article that is inconsistent with her being truthful.

ETA: This is an interesting article about how the current design of the TASER is conducive to confusion: https://qz.com/1996551/daunte-wright-the-problematic-design-of-taser-stun-guns/
 
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TomB said:
Did you read the article?



When someone immediately recognizes and takes responsibility for their mistake, sometimes it makes sense to accept it at face value.

Also, $2M doesn't hurt.
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She's doing quite well for herself if she has $2 million for the payout on a police officers salary.
 
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