Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

Status
Not open for further replies.
New Jersey officer faces charges after body of hit-and-run victim was found in the back seat of his car, prosecutors say

Santiago has been charged with reckless vehicular homicide, desecrating/moving human remains, leaving the scene of a crash resulting in death, endangering an injured victim, tampering with physical evidence, hindering one's own apprehension, conspiracy to hinder prosecution, obstructing the administration of law and two counts of official misconduct, prosecutors said.
Click to expand...

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/25/us/new-jersey-police-officer-charged-hit-and-run/index.html
 
Frontline: Shots Fired on PBS investigates the record number of police shootings in Utah.

The primary reason appears to be training. Recruits are taught that only blue lives matter. Training scenarios are design to emphasize that message.

It's also clear that Utah police don't have a clue how to handle mentally disturbed people.
 
Kestrel said:
Frontline: Shots Fired on PBS investigates the record number of police shootings in Utah.

The primary reason appears to be training. Recruits are taught that only blue lives matter. Training scenarios are design to emphasize that message.

It's also clear that Utah police don't have a clue how to handle mentally disturbed people.
Click to expand...

With so many of them being themselves mentally disturbed, you'd think they would.
 
Tuscon officer working off-duty security at a Lowes store was fired after shooting a wheelchair bound man in the back 9 times from 5 feet away. Every time a bad shoot happens I think it can't get any worse...and then it does. This one is particularly bad. Murder 1 for this cop or there is no hope.

Warning: this is pretty rough to watch, so do so with caution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eWZkcDKsM
 
Point blank range. 8 rapid fire shots and then after a pause... a 9th?! What the ****?
 
It's a guy in a motorized wheelchair and even in the officer's own version of events the only thing he thought he might have had was a knife and he shot him 9 times protecting a Home Depot.

I mean seriously that's the kind of thing I would have made up as a humorous over the top scenario and had every troll on this board screech "Oh that's a strawman hyperbole dramatic" at me.

I swear to God soon a cop really is going to shoot a deaf-blind thalidomide baby 37 times because I just can't make up anything as actually ludicrious as they are doing.

But enough of that. *Claps hands* Trolls! Oh Trolls? Where are you? Come tell us why this is okay you cowards. Everyone is agreeing so we need a contrarian.
 
I don't like to do "armchair body language analysis," I think the internet is way too in love with it, but I don't think the other officer (the one we actually have bodycam footage from) was either ready for those shots nor thought they were necessary.
 
JoeMorgue said:
But enough of that. *Claps hands* Trolls! Oh Trolls? Where are you? Come tell us why this is okay you cowards. Everyone is agreeing so we need a contrarian.
Click to expand...

The motorised wheelchair just made him quicker than a normal person - therefore more able to wreak deadly havoc with his knife once he got inside the store.

Also, did you see his criminal record? Attempted murder, aggravated assault, people smuggling? Well, need I say more?
 
There was no taser available? And even if the officer had good reason to shoot him to stop him from being a threat, from that distance one shot to the arm holding the knife shouldn't be difficult to accomplish. Nine shots point blank??? That's just plain murder.
 
The officer could have walked into the store, waiting in line at the lumber aisle, get a board cut to size, used the bathroom, spent 10 minutes comparing the freezer space of various refrigerator models, bought a soda, walked back out carrying the soda in one arm and the board under the other, and still have time to block the guy from entering the store by just putting the board on the ground.
 
shemp said:
There was no taser available? And even if the officer had good reason to shoot him to stop him from being a threat, from that distance one shot to the arm holding the knife shouldn't be difficult to accomplish. Nine shots point blank??? That's just plain murder.
Click to expand...

Les than lethal weapons are reserved for punishing those who disrespect police authority.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's a guy in a motorized wheelchair and even in the officer's own version of events the only thing he thought he might have had was a knife and he shot him 9 times protecting a Home Depot.
Click to expand...

The officer was a bigger threat to the Home Depot than the criminal in the wheelchair. Any of the shots he fire could easily have ricocheted ed around the store and hit a bystander if they missed their target.

I don't know where the idea came from that a gun is tool you can use to make people do what you tell them, but it has to stop. Police need tools and techniques they can use for that, but their gun should never have become one of these.
 
lomiller said:
The officer was a bigger threat to the Home Depot than the criminal in the wheelchair. Any of the shots he fire could easily have ricocheted ed around the store and hit a bystander if they missed their target.
Click to expand...
I noticed in the store footage, there is an associate just inside the gate who seems to be downrange of the muzzle. I had the same thought.



I don't know where the idea came from that a gun is tool you can use to make people do what you tell them, but it has to stop. Police need tools and techniques they can use for that, but their gun should never have become one of these.
Click to expand...
Again, heartily agreed. Drawing a firearm and aiming it at someone are after "determination to use lethal force" and if you've reached that point, there's no room for "make sure your target understands you are really super serious." Our police have a very schizophrenic escalation of force doctrine. Making moves indicating willingness to use lethal force, but then continuing to "negotiate" the situation sends mixed signals.

I don't know if military doctrine is the ideal philosophy, but I do think it would be a vast improvement over the current orientation of our civilian law enforcement. Well, the tens of thousands of jurisdictions each have their own, so even a smattering of minimum standards would itself be a tremendous leap forward.
 
lomiller said:
The officer was a bigger threat to the Home Depot than the criminal in the wheelchair. Any of the shots he fire could easily have ricocheted ed around the store and hit a bystander if they missed their target.
Click to expand...

There's an employee standing just inside the door approx. 5 metres away in almost the direct line of fire. I thought officers were supposed to "clear the background" or something like that before discharging their firearm.

Just another reason that this guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Hard.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Share this page

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom